Betrayer - Guilliman confronts Angron || Voice Over

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This sounds like Angron in Demon form, Didnt Guilliman crush one of the skulls that fell from Angron bandloeer ?

Both brothers raised good points. Guilliman definitely had probably the easiest and best childhood amongst all primarchs, while Angron one of the worst. Guillimans idea of courage and honour come from a point of privilege and pompous confidence nearing arrogance, while Angron had to fight for his life since he came out of his capsule. However, Angrons inability to look forward (in great part because of the nails and because of the Emperor) instead of backwards made him a slave to his own mind, unable to rise from his tragedy.
In conclusion, fuck Erebus.

Ngl angron kinda had a point here, it’s really easy for guilliman to sit there and act all high and mighty when he has absolutely no idea what it’s like to grow up in the situation angron did.

Edit: I wasn’t comparing the two or saying which was better, I was saying the principle behind guillimans argument was narrow minded, just dismissing everything angron went through was a bit odd coming from a character who I consider to be one of if not the most rational and intelligent primarchs.

This is one of those moments that has me on the fence on who to support and you executed this marvelously!

Excellent work as always! Flipping between colours and logos for the two was interesting, it might just be me but it felt like the timing was a bit off in places? The vocal work was just as outstanding as always though.

I like seeing both sides, and although I heavily sympathize with Angron, becoming traitor was NOT the only choice and certainly not the best.

Despite everything that happens however, his confrontation with Sanguinius at the Eternity Gate emphasizes that he knew, to some extent, that his choice was the worst one.

Anagron is like Konrad a handcuffed monster to the hatred and excuse to fight against Big E rather then move on they had a bad past but going down the path of chaos caused more pain and violence upon them

Great video. Can you please make a video about Guilliman's mother? I know there are some conversations between Guilliman and his mom. I would love to hear their voice over 👀

Excellent

Love every single one of your vids!

The irony is that gilly is also a slave. A slave to the ideals of the future and unable to see in the moment. It was his slavery to the future that made him bring pointless mass destruction to the imperium with his beloved codex that crippled its main means of protection, all for a "future". which wasnt even a guarantee. If he had had been blinded by his future ideals the imperium would be prospering rather than crumbling and he is still to blind to change. Just look at how he took on fulgrim then mortarian

It's not about where you came from but where you choose to go after.

Yes this is one of my favorite moments in the lore. It shows that angron has real, genuine, cause to hate the emperor and the imperium. That he's not just a raging berserker

It's not a surprise some of Roboute's brothers disliked him. Lion, Angron, Konrad, Mortarion.

He was a privillaged one that acted with pomp second only to Fulgrim. Pointed out flaws and thought only through logic which made him look like he lacked sympathy and when he could of given even a fraction of sympathy like talking it out with Lorgar over Monarchia he stood there aloof, did nothing but watch it all burn down.

Angron had a point from his perspective, unlike his brothers who swore their allegiance or liked the Emperor, he was among the few who experienced the Emperor's blunt logical action of saving him because despite being a broken tool, he was still useful to a degree.

Please do full audiobooks. I am sure GW would be looking for such great talent

Hmm...

Angron got a point

I pity Angron. I pity all brothers who fell to the Ruinous Powers. They ought to have remained together against the evils of the universe.

And while Angron truly raised some very good points, Guilliman was right at the end about him.

While it will never happen for reasons, I would love to see all fallen sons be redeemed in some way or form.

Imagine if it would have been Corvus who confronted Angron. While everyone looks at Corvus and says Konrad is his dark reflection I would say Angron fits that role just as well if not better.

Angron is right, Guilliman started out with an Empire. He has the least impressive homeworld story out of all the other Primarchs. Also Guilliman has a brass neck to poke Angron saying he never conquered his homeworld, lets see how he would act with the butchers nails, he'd be the same slobbering beast as Angron.

Guilliman has a point when he says "childish". The traitor primarchs take their frustration and anger on innocent people, rather than take it up with big daddy E.

I really don't get why people sympathize with Angron here.
If nothing else, this makes him a total hypocrite.

Despite knowing all of that, he became even worse than the slavers who ruined his life, the executioner to his own legion's sanity and to untold millions of innocents.

Guilliman calls Angron Childish. Angron responds by lashing out at Guilliman for a bunch of stuff that happened centuries ago that Guilliman had no control over. I’m not surprised that Angron thought he was being clever here, given that his brain was chopped into bits. I AM surprised that anyone with a functioning, non-mutiliated brain could think this was anything other than a childish temper tantrum.

Angron really is faultless. Once the nails were put in him, there was no hope. The Emperor really should’ve granted him a merciful death instead of gambling on him not falling to Khorne.

Angron says that Guilliman and his sons know nothing of courage or honor when they're literally doing the exact things he's claiming only HE has done. I remember one of the Ultramarines, Orfeo I think was literally surrounded by Kharn, Argel Tal and their buddies and he was ready to take them all on even though his company was dying around him.

To moan about your childhood when your purpose and destiny was something far larger is pathetic. The primarchs might be near mortal. What happened by accident is pathetic.

"Which one of us had to rise up against kingdom with nothing more than horde of starving slaves?"

"Corvus, for example. Sounds like skill issue"

All the primarchs were born to be tools. Not too many stayed that way even when the truth came to them.

Zero empathy with Angron, a complete and total failure, I have seen in my own life people lose their entire family in tragic accidents but after some time they are able to live and love again. Angron is a primarch, built to be a weapon of our species and yet he acts like a spoiled child longing for his old friends who died on the sands. The most honorless of all the traitors, truly pathetic.

Guilliman has the "It didn't happen to me so it's irrelevant" mentality.

It’s hard to really weigh in on this debate because we’re dealing with super humans but let’s take a moment to consider some factors.

For one Angron should have been killed the moment he was rediscovered. His existence was nothing but unnecessary suffering and risk but the Emperor decided otherwise. Angron was grown in a society were it was nothing but killed or be killed and even then he managed to organize a revolt that ultimately was futile, he chose to die with those slaves in what I view as the ultimate display of his humanity. However when the emperor “saved” Angron, the primarch was unable to superimpose the humanity he felt for the slaves he fought for onto the people of the imperium and his sons. Leaving more reminiscent of a solider who lost his platoon.

Guilliman was raised in what was waring nations by one of the leading executives of a Republic who instilled the concept of building institutions and respecting them above our own personal selfishness. It made Guilliman into the ultimate leader, someone who builds to see those who will be safe in its walls not for the vanity of its creation. But when he was given the Ultimate test he chose the institution over his personal feelings when his father was murdered which created a primarch with the most grounded understanding of his role only rivaled by Rogal and whose humanity was rivaled to even vulkans.

To me this makes there conversation mostly pointless. Guilliman is 100% right when he says Angron is too spiteful to prosper/rise and extend his humanity to the rest of regular people of the imperium and his sons, but at the same time this argument only has weight maybe during the first 10 years of his rejoining of the imperium, at this point Angron is no longer contemplating how he feels or how right he is, he is entrenched in his way of thinking and anything at this point is going to just sound pompous coming from Guilliman.

Angron's justification, while understandable, still isn't justifiable.

He is essentially saying, because, through really no fault of anybody of relevance involved, he ended up having a harsh "growing up environment", whereas Guilliman, ended up luckier, and landed on a more welcoming and hospitable planet/system, then that justifies Angron essentially destroying billions of lives, destroying the imperium, and betraying those he had sworn and chosen to protect and fight for.

it is essentially the same, to some degree, as a person who was born and raised in a bad family environment, with bad parents, and justifying them for ending up becoming a serial killer or something along those lines. Sure you understand how it can happen, but it still isn't the right decision to make (unless you actually do truly hate the imperium).

People seem to forget angron was once even with the nails in his brain a man of , honor, courage, and respect, but he was never loyal to the Emperor not after what he did, ripping the man away from his family his brothers and sisters as they got overwhelmed with the seven army's of his home world , that was mistake number one on making him not a loyal warrior, number two was forcing him a man of honor who fought warriors with only a Crude weapon to kneel to him( the emperor) spitting on his honor angron the world eater was never loyal because the emperor killed the man he once was a kind man who fed his army of slaves his own blood from his gains and would die with them but the emperor broke that vow broke him

Guilliman lost his adopted father when the co-consul Gallan launched a revolt that would oppressed the common people and ensure the rich would hoard the wealth. Guilliman had to fight to put the revolt down. Guilliman might have been raised with a silver spoon but he's adopted father installed him with values and responsibility. Angron while his enslavement in Nuceria is understandable doesn't excuse for claiming Guilliman had an easy life.

Having a shitty childhood doesn't give you the right to be an asshole. Hitler and Stalin had a rough childhood, yet it's no excuse for what they did. Angron did the same thing, only on countless more planets

Angron’s capsule landing in one of the worst places is no excuse to destroy imperium and endangering trillions.
Sure Robute got lucky at landing but that doesn’t make him wrong.
Angron stans are crazy.

Guillichad has suffered so much. Especially after speaking to the emperor on the throne. He deserves his eldar domi mommy gf.

For everyone who believe angron is right NO past is past and cannot be undone guilliman is right 100% he is a slave of past this is why he chose the easy choice

So he’s just a jealous angry prick

Is it just me or Lorgar's foice sounds like squidward's?

It has been longer than I wanted but, here it is! Hopefully I actually have a few more to edit and upload now and I can get back on some sort of schedule. My thanks for your patience!

I tend to see this scene quoted a lot in regards to Guilliman and and amazing 40k insults and it is a solid retort but I do tend to think Angron has a point here. His actions might not show it quite as well but he isn't wrong!
I was also going for a sort of in-between of a Demon and 'Human' Angron voice to show his switching allegiance but I think I leaned a little further into Demon than I would like. Hopefully I can polish it going forward with any other Angron excerpts.

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