What If the First Borders of Molotov-Ribbentrop Were Followed?

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If only, Molotov-Ribbentrop treaty was followed. And the lost of Baltic coast for Germany, truly sad.

Lithuania is now a lot stronger too right, because they just become a warsaw pact member

The soviets absolutely would not take 1 million casualties ina conventional war with the Fins that would be roughly 1 3rd of the Finnish population each getting a kill which is not happening to say the least, however the Fins could continue the war through partisan activity in a way, guerrilla warfare. Of course in order to pull off guerrilla warfare like that without outside help would require an extremely loyal and dedicated population which given how hard they fought with what little they had irl I would say they are quite dedicated enough to pull it off. No matter once barbarossa begins they would likely supply the Fins with a ton of guns to revolt and take back their country, as of course any garrisons there would need to be stripped to fight the germans allowing the Fins to rise and do some damage and if they took even close to a million casualties in the war and occupation then maybe they could even take Leningrad from a joint attack. Irl Churchill and Mannerheim were to my knowledge quite friendly and from what I remember reading Churchill basically told Mannerheim don't cut Leningrad because we may lose, even though they were on the doorstep to the city they didn't attack the city from the north but in this timeline with a fully subjected Finland they would likely not give a damn and try and possibly succeed to cut the city and capture it. Sure it won't secure victory for Finland or the Axis but Leningrad was the birthplace of the union so it would certainly smash morale possibly leading to a victory at least in the east. Even if the germans lose the Fins could likely demand a peace on their terms for not having to fight them again and focus their whole might on Germany but Im not sure the soviets would likely accept though because theyd be in a desperate enough position. Anyway if they did win they'd likely be lucky to just get their pre war territory back

I'd personally predict Hong Kong and Macau would stay in the Western sphere, as China would not be able to force the western powers to return them to china.

On the point of US: Since the USSR is much weaker the Americans would come out of the Cold War likely less paranoid than in our own timeline, meaning that they might end up being less interested in power projection and establishing friendly regimes and more interested in compromise, The Cold War and the power that Soviets did have caused incredible pressure on America and caused Americans to generally be incredibly weary of any political and cultural idea that might grow strong enough to threaten the Liberal Democratic world order, especially politicians.

Vatniks be crazy for this one

soviet union asked to join axis but didnt get answer and 1 year later invasion

There is one major pobleme in yor logic. July 30, 1941 Soviets completely abolished any ties with the Moscow Pact signed in August 23, 1939. All postwar changed of borders didn't linked to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, expect Baltic nations - Soviets didn't restore them even after the war.
But eventually Poland is another case - for Soviets it was vital to have good relations with Western Allies while fighting Axis. It wouldn't change in your scenario too. So Soviets got rid of Polish republic the same way they did with "Democratic" Finnish republic in Karelia in our time. Also Lithuania in this timeline wouldn't become Soviet republic in 1940.
All that changes would lead to maintaining status-quo for Poland (mostly like in our timeline) while Lithuania become independent Socialist republic after the war. The only big changes for post war borders are fate of Konigsberg - the would not being any Soviet republic bordering it so I guess it would join eighter Poland or Lithuania.
And after the Cold War and the Soviet collapse Lithuania would have less issues with Russia cause it wouldn't not being annexed and Soviets departations of Lithuanians as well as assimilation policy would not exist. So the is a small chance that Lithuania did not join EU and NATO but its place would be taken by Finland.

'Vietnam war: Decisive US victory'
Bro, what the fuck. War lasted decades, Vietnam people just didn't support south government because it was first supported by French. US wouldn't be able to kill partisan forces in Vietnam ever. The biggest factor of this war wasn't China or USSR, but that USA bombed folks with napalm and killed their peasants with a support of post-colonialist government.

'Million soviet casualties'
Dude, you didn't study history of this war didn't ya? Soviets kept bashing on mannerheim line, it was a meatgrinder, because they didn't have big artillery guns to break the walls and bunkers at the time. In a such small tile a very big concentration of troops made it bloody. Eventually Finland lost because their line was breached and soviet high command decided that main goal is fulfilled, declining Finnish peace offer to them was a sign of showing their nature of conquerers, instead of 'working class, people liberator'. If they thought to screw it and ordered the army to go in fight they would easily go right through the coast of Finland and panic city of Helsinki would simply not stand as Red army gained new artillery weapons ans has a new rifle parts. Finland despite having dozens of brave commanders and courageos soldiers could not win, Finnish high command understood that once Mannerheim line is over it is not possible to defend Helsinki, what Mannerheim himself thought.

Very unrealistic Soviet casualties and peace deal. A continuation in breakthroughs for the Soviets is more realistic. If the Finns truly commit to their guerrilla warfare plans then a plausible peace agreement would be secession of the territories from real life history and maybe some more up north coupled with the establishment of a heavily influenced Finnish state. The trouble of incorporating all of Finland through war is unlikely. End of war a couple of months to half a year at most depending on the Soviets belief in victory. The Finnish casualties would probably rise quicker during the breakthroughs than previously during the war and Soviets would only marginally rise depending on how long the war continues.

I doubt that russia would hold with another half a million losses (and rebellions in finland and the baltics) as they just barely held until winter

Summary: better asia, worse europe.

This open a new front in Norway if russia conquered Finland the would have a border with occupied norway to fight

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Even tho you make all these alternate history videos is hilarious how you actually think the soviets would suffer a million casualties in Finland. Bro, the Finnish were running out of supplies and were going to collapse, so they had to accept the peace deal offered by the soviets. 200k at most are the casualties hypothetically.

I'll just say that the collapse of the ussr was kind of a political miracle, with a social democrat taking over the ussr and accepting its weakening and dissolution, this weaker communist world might significantly change the soviet politics to remove gorbachev from power, thus avoiding the collapse of the eastern bloc

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Why should the USSR fall apart in such a scenario and not strengthen itself as a bunker?

What you call a "conquered" territory is actually liberated old Russian territory. Soviet call it liberation of western ukrain and western belorussia.

Soviets started liberating Russian terrotory previously occupied by poland on august 17 when polish government was already in London and poland ligally ceased to exist.

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Video idea:what if Geroges Clemenceau plan for post ww1 succeeded

Always it’s Silesia where there’s border changes. 😂 If there was a Possible History drinking game this would definitely be an entry.

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Switzerland is either very light blue or has turned into the sea

There’s no way the Russians would lose a million people in Finland

Poland always hated the russians

Finland's population growth would have stopped at the 1939 level: 3.9 million inhabitants instead of 5.6 million. Up to one million Finns would have been purged and replaced by cattle trains of people from Russian territories.

Finland's economic growth would have been stunted and cultural development stifled.

Fantasy? No. This is what happened to Estonia. In Finland, it would simply have happened on a larger scale.

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I believe the siege of lenningrad would be much less bloody due to the fact that it would still have access to finnish supplies

This is just a elaborate plan to make taiwan Never exist, W.

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I don't think that the Soviet Union wouldn't be able to reach Berlin, or that they will loose Manchuria. They might win more than Berlin, especially since Nazi Germany isn't invading from Finland, and probably, form the Winter War, the Soviet Union's military, might have been even more stable. In Asia, I don't think they'd be any difference. But, overall, I don't think some extra piece of Germany is enough to keep the Soviet Union form falling or something.

It's almost like they never alied and it was a non aggression pact or something

Cold war is not boring politics

One major point of those alternate borders is an even bigger and stronger East Germany, meaning I wouldn't be surprised to see Germany NOT unifying. France, the UK, Italy, Poland and Russia would be even more opposed to the unification as the balance of power France/Germany/UK would be obliterated, as Germany would now have around 50% more population as France and the UK and would have even bigger influence in Eastern Europe. Also, East Germany now has much more population in the East, mainly conservatives and less pro-Westeners with minorities like Polish and Czechs...

At least the suwalki gap never exists