Brexit, Classical Liberalism, Libertarianism | Steve Davies | POLITICS | Rubin Report

He lost me at Somalia.

I love your intros, man! You should just compile them all. I would listen too them every morning just to feel vibrantly alive! :-)

well if your case is having problems with certain groups of migrants, it is better not to have them in the first place. Don't you think Dr Davies?

EXCELLENT!

lol can't believe this idiot called them gangs he thinks all ideologies can be dissuaded by jobs. he is the type of person that tries to reason and bargain with bullies and still got beat up.

Nice to see Steve on the show. I've admired him for years now. I agree with most of what he said in this interview but I am not so sure that the immigration thing is as clear cut. For a start, nobody (at least, not nearly as many people) has been against immigration in Britain--Britain is built largely on immigrants from say the West Indies, China etc. There's several immigrant communities within Britain and there has been for a very long time. It seems most of these immigrants came to Britain to enjoy what Britain had to offer. Sadly, the more recent invasion (and that's what it has been)of people mainly from the middle East has been anything about coming to enjoy the benefits of being British. It's as if there is an active agenda to change Britain for the worse. That may make me sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I am most certainly not that and when people immediately jump to that conclusion, well...it tells me that they are just dismissing the idea without much thought and that's dangerous in itself. Brexit has happened largely as a result of this; people are not happy and quite frankly, I don't blame them. I'm from North Scotland so where I live hasn't had to endure what many towns and cities across Britain, and England especially is having to endure. There are several areas where native Brits are not even allowed to go. This is NOT good immigration and I, as a classical liberal (or realistic libertarian) will not ever support it. Oh, I support immigration of course, but not what is currently happening in Britain and Europe in general. Not a chance.

The Private Sector is very pleased a with massive influx of migrants ill adapted for modern Western Culture, as long as the Evil Welfare State  Gives those migrants access to the Private Sector products.      Take the State out of the equation and the stony-hearted Private Sector would watch migrants die in the street.        Problem solved.  Just as Davies predicted.

If the political realignment happens the way Steve Davies describes, it's going to be weird siding with the Democratic party. Cause with Trump heading the Republican party it's going to be the Nationalist Socialist one. Hopefully Libertarians just usurp one of them and I won't have to deal with the awkwardness.

Its an interesting perspective presented in this video, but fundamentally is still wrong for the following reasons. For one, where ever you have government, you have the initiation of the use of force. The State is the antithesis to individualism. As long as you have the theft of taxation and coercion from politicians you'll never get a truly free market. This oxymoronic paradox position of having any kind of individualism while at the same time still having a state sounds compelling but just doesn't work. I feel Anarchists are misrepresented in this video as well. As if being pure for all of the right reasons is not the most ideal situation we would want to be in. Also, the stawman argument of comparing Somalia to the West was particularly amusing. Because clearly Somalia has had the same history of Western philosophy compared to Britain, or France, or Germany, or the U.S. The Classical Liberal perspective also fails when its proponents say that a free market would not provide where a government is absolutely necessary. If we are going to be intellectually honest here, that stance speaks more to the misanthropic tendency of faith in government than it does to the "irrationality" of Anarchism.

Exhibit A, the Catholic Church. If voluntary donations will not fill the void where the State is absent, then its a little challenging to explain the existence of churches isn't it? Say what you want about the morality or ethics of Biblical religions, but last I checked guns were not being held up to your head in order to pay for the upkeep of the church, at least in the West. This idea that when freed from the shackles of arbitrary taxation and involuntary force, human altruism will just disappear into thin air is literally the most ridiculous idea I have ever heard in my life. If you hold this position, will you or anyone you know stop caring for the plight of the poor? Will you stop caring about healthcare, or roads, or other infrastructure? If your answer to those questions is no, then you know that they will be able to be funded through voluntary transactions and freedom of association, the foundation of the Invisible Hand and the free market. If you answered yes to the above questions, then you are a misanthrope and would like to see the continued enslaving of humanity to the immorality of taxation and violent force. It all comes down to the universality of the moral/ethical system we choose to adopt. If we say that there is a group in society that has the moral authority to at anytime violate the property rights of any individual, then we have an unresolvable contradiction that is not assuaged by saying that it is a necessary evil, or the "cost" of living in a civilized society. I can't think of anything more uncivilized than continuing to force people to finance economic activity at the point of a gun and under the threat of prison. Perhaps my interpretation is inaccurate or is a misrepresentation of what has been said and is in need of correction. I welcome all Classical Liberals and any who believe the State can play a legitimate role in society to refute my claims.

Dave you should interview Richard Spencer! Get someone from the real Alt-right to speak their side of the argument!

it seems people miss, that immigrants today are not allowed to work by the state. and on top of this the immigration wave was also set in motion by various (near) government interests.

there is no real problem with typical free market immigration. and "religiously motivated invasion" is also not the root cause of this.or a game changer in any means. what we have today is central planned human trafficking.

As a libertarian I understand that libertarians need to get real and incrementally push to our goals like Bismarck as he said.

not a fan of how Mr Davies does not separate migration in general with the current mass-migration (partially obfuscated by the refugee crisis). He makes some well thought out points in terms of consequences and likely outcomes.  Great guest.

Left guy interview another Left guy and agrees that Left is good. OKAY

Great interview again. I'm addicted to The Rubin Report!

Loving your work Rubin/ Can you get Nigel Farrage on at some point?

Most of this interview was actually pretty interesting, but I nearly turned it off and missed all the good stuff due to the ridiculous, naive horseshit he was talking about immigration in the first few minutes. Even the whole business of 'most immigrants work and they come in and do jobs the native population don't want to do' is rubbish. The native population don't want to do those jobs because the pay and conditions in those jobs are terrible and employers have no incentive to improve them all the time mass immigration is providing an endless supply of people that are willing to work in a shithole for peanuts because it's still better than the crappy place they just left.

So wrong at 10 minutes. When the immigrants coming in can't read or write, often not even in their native language, and many of them are coming for free healthcare and unemployment money... 80%+ of them are single young men... he's just flat wrong.

So incredibly fascinating. I think I'll be watching this more than once. :)

007 baby!

Please oh please interview Tom Woods, Robert Murphy, Lew Rockwell, Jeff Deist, and/or Ron Paul.

Portugal and Ireland can't claim nationalist collectivism because they were bailed out by the ECB and IMF. We were not foolish enough to accept their hush money.

"marginal effect on the bottom 10% of wages" - forgets to mention that this 10% is a hell of a lot of people.

Confidence in "the modern assimilative power of a free society" is misplaced when one looks at the history of humanity over the past few thousand years... The Greeks and Romans, to varying degrees, had confidence in what we may term, in a hat tip to Dr. Davies, the civilizing powers of their empires. How did that work out, when, to take one example, the Visigoths came a-callin'?

Steve is the smartest guy you've ever had on your show. Absolute genius

This is one of the Koch bros sponsored videos

When Steve is talking, close your eyes and try to picture Hugh Laurie in your mind. ;-)

Your guest is a fuqueing moron.

I can't believe I hadn't heard of the Signapore pension system. That honestly sounds infinitely better than the alternatives. Honestly, I would be surprised if I actually got the benefits from the pension that I am required to pay into by the time I am hopefully able to retire in 30-40 years. I feel like I am just paying into a system that will inevitably collapse once every single baby boomer retires. But with the Signapore system, as long as there aren't too many people that can't contribute to the system due to a lack of wealth, the size of your population is irrelevant since you fund yourself. A genius, common sense solution.

Keep in mind, when the pension system was originally created, people generally died around 55-60, so people didn't usually withdraw. Now people (US, Canada) live to around their mid 80's and it's growing. Even if they had the best investors in the world investing that money, sustainability seems doubtful and if they wanted to mimic it's original intent, you couldn't withdraw until 90 (which would make the system essentially worthless).

it's all very well saying be more confident about the assimilation ability of your culture but if the culture that is coming into your country has no interest in assimilating then you are in trouble

It's too bad that people like Steve Davies aren't the people known the world over, and who garner hundreds of thousands of views on Dave's channel (certainly not to detract from Dave's guests who do). This man is brilliant, as objective as possible on issues, and simply an absolute pleasure to learn from. Thank you for this great interview, Dave and company.

Love this!

It's pretty much impossible to have coherent political discourse when the other side is determined to destroy the opposition by slander presicely because they do not want to focus on policy.

Naturally I'm talking about Hillary and her "progressive" media lapdogs. (Or is Hillary their "progressive" political lapdog?)

"Left of centre economics, strong support for the welfare state, and unpleasant nativism?"

The pundit class say the most darndest things.

"a classical liberal is a realistic libertarian" - makes acutally alot of sense, i like it

End the War on Drugs. It funnels money to gangs by raising the price of the drugs.

Dave, what do you think the difference is between Classical Liberalism and Libertarianism? They're philosophically identical.

You can be liberal on immigration but not want loads of people coming into the country who want to destroy your society and who abuse the welfare state.

I really don’t agree about his views on immigration into Europe from the 3rd world.
I don’t agree with his economic forecast.
But more importantly that isn’t even the main issue with mass immigration, the crux is that western values and culture is massively weakened by mass immigration from cultures that really do not integrate, or even want to integrate.
Remember the whole of westerners, Europe, USA, Oceania etc only make up about 15% of the worlds population. The numbers flowing out of Africa and the Middle East into tiny tiny Europe are insane, we cannot continue to be Europe with constant mass immigration at current rates.
We will become another 3rd world.
We’ve seen it happening all around us.
Crime is shooting up, rapes, sex trafficking, terrorism, violent protests, acid attacks, homelessness, no go areas, sharia law.

Remind you of anywhere?
They are bringing their culture with them and creating bubbles of the third world here in Europe, which are quickly spreading.

Stop thinking of Europe as some giant sponge that can absorb all cultures.
We are at saturation point already.

To be fair, the war on drugs is not a small issue. It's a HUGE issue.

You didn't just play the Somalia card. Oh dear.

4 years later and Britain is still waiting to leave the European Union...

Steven Davies is just fascinating

Lots of theory, not much empirical evidence. Making government policy based on theory is like playing golf blindfolded, and then being surprised that you did badly😂