Why is NVMe storage like this...?

❤ awesome vid.

Endurance and capacity are the main reasons why I regret going M.2 instead of U.2.

Since SATA is pretty much a dead end, I do hope we start seeing U.2 as a replacement.
With PCIe 5.0, motherboard manufacturers can start leveraging the fact that we need less lanes to reach the maximum performance for consumer NVMe SSDs. It's also nice to just have an option to have a stack of traditional form-factor drives that I can place in other parts of the system instead of being limited to daughterboards.

Great video 👌

Thanks!! How the resell or used markets are with these. Maybe how and what the different controllers or jack you plug these into look like. Maybe some new and used prices.

Awe wanted to see Optane U2 in the mix!

You omit to mention how many lanes each of these drives needs for full bandwidth. sas and sata need 4 lanes per drive.
This way an HBA 330 controller can ran up to 8 drives, 4 for each sas port of the controller.
Is it the same for u.2 and u.3 as well? I don't think so.

mini sas and u.2 is very confusing, still navigating that

The comparison of IOPs and bandwidth did help thanks. Helped me understand the difference

E1.L for me. . .

+1 for endurance as a must! I've been running some write heavy workloads on my M.2 NVMe SSD (Samsung 990Pro) and in just a few days I went from 3% to 5% `percentage_used`... when I googled that I started to panic a bit, does this mean I got like a year before my drive goes read-only?!?!?! Oh, I also cooked an NVMe drive making it tweak and crash my server (OS drive) so I put a cheap $6 heatsink and that think has stayed 40C max since! So cooling is important too.

You can also get a 2.5" u.2 case with an m.2 socket inside, this way you can plug a m.2 nvme to a u.2 system.

I wish there would have been more Tri-mode compatible and accessible backplanes
M.2 to U.2 adapters are also very hard to get working right if at all

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I just racked up 2 new storage units for work with 18 1.9TB NVMe u.2 drives in a 2U form factor, with 8 64Gb FC ports each. I take care of the systems Hitachi Vantara uses for professional training, and they just released the new VSP One line of products. The ones I got are the VSP One Block 26.

Did you spend even a 1minute of the 11 minute video explaining what NVMe is? How the protocol works? This is such a fail of a video!

Worth mentioning those were a mix of older/newer Gen3 and Gen4 drives that were tested and the Gen4 drives are read optimized (iirc), when you factor that in the results make a lot more sense. Pretty sure a P5510 would destroy the 5316/5336 for mixed use. After burning through consumer M.2 drives on my old proxmox server I hunted around ebay till I found a good deal on some P4510's and for my use at home (10gbe network) gen3 is fast enough. IOPS less of a worry than endurance for my use case and the difference in endurance is massive.

Yeah looks like SATA but internally it's not

Thank you for addressing this topic! It has annoyed me for years that the outdated SATA interface has not been replaced by something more up to date. And U.2 / 3 would be the perfect candidate. Not only is it an existing and established standard. The interface is also backwards compatible to SATA. So you could connect your NVME drive as well as (several) SATA drives to this port.
Techquickie made a video about NVME 2.0 3 years ago. An extension / improvement of the protocol, which also includes hard disks. But how are NVME hard disks to be rolled out when the predominant interface for hard disks in the desktop market is still SATA?

Indirection Unit Size and it's effect on Performance would have been interesting to explore. Nice Video anyways!

Need HDD to get to 48TB so my 16TB drives are $200...

I want my 1 petabyte nvme🤔🤔

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Now test Intel’s Optane drives. the real one, not the hybrid ones.

That was a great analogy for the differences between bandwidth and IOP's. It seems like I always stumble across content from you and a few others whenever I start to think about expanding my homelab beyond just a pi-hole and a NAS. It is like you can sense a tech nerd thinking, about to spend money, and like magic, the content appears to inform the Adderall fueled masses.

If I look around what you can buy, doesn't look like E1 type storage servers are easy to buy, they were more available 5 years ago than now, so maybe the format didn't take off ?

Yeah hold up I’ma need to get one of those for my servers and yes they use support SAS because they are literally enterprise grade servers. I have five of them and they could hold four guys each and they are from three different brands😅

so funneh that big boy datacenters buy 60tb ssd for a few hundred while ppl buy 4tb for 250$...

thanks! interesting info

U2 drives should be introduced to consumer hardware... M2 form factor is extremely limiting.

I have a server I got for my homelab that has an sff-8643 port, just labeled nvme, right on the motherboard. Gigabyte mh70-hd1. No documentation on this port to give me more info and I've come to hate this port as I just want a normal pciex4, or even a normal m.2 nvme.

I am upgrading GMKtek G3 and K8 nmve sticks. Mechanical clearance is a serious issue. Please investigate with a mechanical engineer and encourage mini-PC makes to ensure heatsinks fit between ssd and fans.

I remember having some older consumer motherboards with U.2 connectors. Obviously never used them!

Nvme is pcie. They just trying to mislead you.

Good luck with QLC drive ☠️

FFS, NVME is a protocol, not a form factor. This video should have been a short.

M.2 is fine for portable devices, but I'd really like to see the 2.5" U.2/U.3 drives make a comeback for desktops.

Thanks for explaining IOPS vs read speed!

No NVMe is NOT exclusively designed for PCIE, you can buy SATA NVMe drives, not sure WHY you would want to but you can.

M.2 was developed for laptops and cooling was an afterthought. There is E1.S and E3.S which basically make M.2 server capable.

i love my p4510 SSDs i have a pair of 8tb drives that i got since they are way cheaper than the same capacity in m.2.

My very first Computer 1980 was a TRS-80 Molel 1 It had 4 5&1/4" Floppy drives 3 35 trac & 2 *0 Track Double sided. Even still have A SANOY Lugamle with 2 5&1/4" Floppys and a 10MB (MEGA) Western Digitak Harg Card. Also had a Tower with 5 HDD one 3.5" and 4 5&1/4" HDD 2 being 5 GB Bacarudas that ran so hot I had to leave the Casr off. Stil have every computer I've Owned excepy for the 1st 3. TRS-8o, Apple II & a Commode 64. I've had 286,386,486,Pentium 1,2 &3's Exectra. Presently running an ASUS GL702VSK Laptop with 5TB Internal a 2TB WD_Black SN850X NVMeSSD Boot Drive, Samsung SSD 870EVO 1TB, and 2 1TB NVMe SSD's in enclousers. I don't Game Just Video Edit.
As a Note: Never ever had a Problem with the Orignal 1TB 7200 rpm HDD Doing 1080P video but then I don't do Fusion or Color Grading or 4K.

ultra sweaty nerd gaming pc's hahaha jeez man