I Went Undefeated With Vivi On Release Weekend | cEDH Deck Tech

@comedianmtg what do you think about the longevity of this deck/vivi in cedh? This will be my first time stepping into cedh and want to be sure I’m not spending on stuff that won’t be viable in a month

My thought process behind flash is to go infinite on top of someone going infinite on my turn, or go infinite on someone else’s turn with Hullbreaker Horror

Ruby Medallion can discount.. like 18 cards in this deck. This seems a pretty abysmal rate tbh.

Seeing Curiosity is such a huge nostalgia hit to me. In the time, before time, I remember when putting Curiosity on a Prodigal Sorcerer or Rootwater Hunter was the dream. If you'd described Vivi then no one would believe it would ever be a card. I realize this is a comment for no one, but I had to get it out of my head.

Is the fact that niv-mizzet, Visionary cost 6 mana the reason why you are using virtue of courage instead?

I've been enthralled by vivi recently. So far since getting him together over got 12-3 with vivi, and one of those losses was to another vivi.

The deck feels fantastic

As someone who’s just recently gotten into cEDH/higher power EDH, Vivi is incredibly interesting to me for a variety of reasons. It seems like it can pivot quite well between turbo and control-esque, but also just floor it and churn through the deck in a matter of minutes. But it also seems like such a cool mid-power, slow-roll snowball deck too. Such a fun design, but also very strong.

Will Vivi get banned quicker than nadu?

We did a session a while ago where I was talking mostly my channel with you and we talked Malcom Kediss. I tried to remind you that you were the guy who breaks new ground and you are the guy who won back to back twisters and I was trying to weigh in on Sylvan library, that you knew it was gas and that the entire cedh world was crazy and that you had started following the hive towards lower land counts and don’t do it!
But this deck genuinely does want a low count, my version is on 24 lands and 2 MDFC’s. You have one less land that me. I’m sure that’s fine.
Namaste homie
🖖
Gonna be looking for another season soon.
There’s a deck I wanna build w you.
🤘😖🤘

It's so wild to me that when I play Storm regularly, it's "a problem" now that everyone wants to play Storm, it's chill. 😂😂

Hey Ian.
One extra mana gets you Savor the moment compared to final fortune. I mean, you won’t get to untap your 2 lands and your 2 mana rocks or whatever but you do get that 12 mana Vivi again.
I play both Final Fortune and Savor the Moment in my list. None of the sorcery final fortunes. In fact your list is the closest I’ve seen to mine.
We also arent on the slew of 4+ mana creatures and the Hullbreaker horror.
I did also cut the Q Elemental despite being called an idiot for it.
We need cards not mana!
Anyway.
I tutor for Savor more than all other cards combined w my mystical tutor.
Just food for thought
Great list!!
Great job!

Mystical tutor is a turn 2 Vivi if you get rite of flame turn 1

It seems like gut shot would fit well into this list as a pseudo ritual (2 life to make vivi generate 1 more mana) or a free trigger of curiosity

Can’t you just run “Wild Slash” as a way to get around The One Ring? Once Vivi reaches 4 power, Wild Slash’s static Ferocious text states damage can’t be prevented, so then vivi triggers can just kill the TOR player?

I'm a big flubs player, and one look at Vivi and my immediate thought was "flubs... but it can win games" ❤

I thought I understood scaling of multiple "Bonus Round"s off of breach, but you said you didn't want to do the math, which makes me assume I'm missing something.

Isn't it just (2**N)-1?

With instants you can draw a ton of cards over top the Bowmaster triggers, no?

Random question: why not play veyran? It's 3 mana only and it will trigger vivi twice so 2 1 1's and 2 burn dmg

Ok maybe I missed this but does the deck just win by either pinging or breach? No other infinite combos in the list? That’s what I get for watching this at 2am 😂

Interested to hear thought on why virtue of courage over Niv-Mizzet, Visionary and also if we're just playing dramatic reversal to generate mana why not play Hurkyl's Recall to get vivi triggers and you still get that mana

Vivi more like PiPi

I run a monstrous rage in my Vivi list for the trauma of any standard player and makes Vivi a legit commander damage option. Built it right after it was spoiled so didn't have great lists to go off so currently has a bunch of unoptimized stuff in it, such as isocron scepter and dramatic reversal. Will definitely check out your list.

So Vivi or Ral?

Ill be curious to see how the "its not as bad as Nadu so this is all good and fine" counterpoint holds up over time. I dont think it has to be as broken as Nadu to win a disproportionate amount of the time while running a gameplan that involves 20-minute nondeterministic storm turns to be banworthy.

Cold open ftw

born should still be good enough for setup turns

Curious about why you didn't add quicksilver elemental. I know the decks choke point is card draw but infinite mana is infinite mana..

For the love of gawd!!!!!! Please take tayam to a tournament.

Vivi is just going to be Nadu all over again. However they wont ban him because of final fantasy

Love to see it. I'm comming around to the "less 0s, more impulse draw" version with cost reducers and pif. Looks good

Vivi seems like he will be strong but not oppressive, which is probably exactly what this format needs more of. Hope to see more designs that are clearly pushed but have a critical flaw that prevents them from just being another Kinnan 2.0 (low cmc all in one card advantage + mana advantage commander).

The logic of Displacement Wave in this deck, do you think that Filter Out would be a reasonable include in the deck? Also if paradise mantle is worse than Mishra's Bauble, maybe Urza's Bauble would be a suitable replacement?

Agatha’s soul cauldron, Geralf Fleshwrite

And what do you think about monstrous rage as a ritual?

Does harmonic prodigy not do enough for the spot?

displacer kitten: boo

Moral of the story, DONT let Vivie resolve

Sweet dude! Grats. ❤❤❤

I like that the one commander making the most waves is not Sephiroth or Cloud. Cool that it might maybe refresh the meta, no?

As you mentioned in Mind Sculptors pod, PLEASE do a deck tech on “Celes, Rune Knight”.

You would cook so hard on the potential of that card and we’d like to see it! 😎✨✨✨✨❤️


Love this breakdown! ❤️

Surveil lands are booty.

So one question
I heard your reasoning behind displacement wave , x being 0 is phenomenal. But if the point of it is to like bounce your stuff to reset vivi, isn’t paradoxical outcome just strictly better? Bounce all your 0 mana rocks + redeploy + draw a ridiculous amount of cards
It also lets you use vivi again if you bounce vivi depending how much mana you actually got from the activation
I’ve been having a blast with PO, but the displacement wave is a nice tech just wanna hear your thoughts

Niv in 99 as backup? Or too cute to be real

What do you think about vivi in the 99 of Malcolm Kediss?

regarding winning thru the one ring. Wouldn't Bonemaster Giant's adventure side work simpler ?

Will you be taking Sisay to a tournament again soon?

Vivi feels similar to Plagon where you draw your library on turn 4 and win. I think it is far more simple to pilot and consistent than Plagon too. I have only got 2 games in with my Vivi deck so far, but the deck feels super strong.

I’ve been playing recall as well to get breach back

Ian might just be the scariest opponent at any pod purely do to the unadulterated shenanigans that leads to shit like this. Ian’s the one going infinite with a ham sandwich.