Why did the Free City State Disappear? Victor Davis Hanson

Listening to this I was thinking about the motto e pluribus unum, out of the many one is such a great idea and how it has made our experiment so successful.

Will America Sion split into conservatives and liberal states?

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I wonder if there's any evidence of evolutionary biology playing a role in the disappearance of successful cultures and civilizations. Conformity, on a massive scale, may create many outputs that are counter to human nature. On the matter, I'd love to see a discussion between Hanson and Bret Weinstein...that would be interesting.

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"If you're not prepared to go NUCLEAR, be prepared to ACCEPT BARBARISM..."

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Victor Davis Hanson is a looking glass. He is a human portal to the past. I would say his imagination is as acute as his mere memory.

So much hyperfocused documenting of real time going on by Patriot Citizen Journalists, Patriot Autists and citizens who understand we have been/are in a psyops information war. Unprecedented documentation Mr. Davis may want to do a deep dive on.

When you know it all theirs no room to learn

Word. Very enlightening!

It’s interesting that Hanson uses the term “Greeks” and their struggle against Macedon, which certainly answers one question I’ve always had and that is whether Philip, and Alexander were in some fashion also Greek. They spoke a variety of Greek, but were looked down on as crude by the Athenians and other cities. His grasp on this means he is well aware of the relationship though he doesn’t address it directly. I suspect he has quite an erudite take on how close to “barbarians” the Greeks thought of their northern relations, perhaps I’ll find his view on it one day. I’ve always found it ironic that modern Greeks are so enthusiastic in claiming Alexander as one of their own and deeply resist any notion that there should be an independent “Macedonia” — hence the current state of “Northern Macedonia”.

I can't really think of too many who would be a better guest than VDH. He rocks!

Now we have an army with diversity strength

Of Course VDH got me here but "here I am" lets see what is "goin onn"

Yes!!!

While full of great information and insights, Victor Davis Hansen fails to recognize the inevitability of race and ethnicity determining what civilization will survive. Throughout history, multi-racial, ethnic empires collapse. They collapse because there are limits to how much of anything can be accommodated inside of a civilization. China is winning the struggle for world dominance so far because they are one people - meaning once basic race. For one thing, it is very easy to spot an outsider. In the West, indigenous Europeans are becoming outsiders with no resort or retreat. Mr. Hansen's foundation is in his late Scandinavian, Christian Socialist roots that insist that race and ethnicity are meaningless. But what he tragically misses is that he is asking for - as Progressives, traditional Progressives do, that if everyone gives up their identity, everyone can unite under the concept of being a citizen, even though it is clear that Rome tried this and it did not work. Then, just as now, the result was that citizens bearing hostility toward their host nations brought instability and final collapse, followed by centuries of chaos with religious superstition and violence filling the void left by the absence of a unified people.

This may be summarized by saying that the Greek City-States grew fat and indolent due to their success and resultant conceit. The West is failing once again because it again believes that it is possible for anyone to be a citizen and that the greatness of the host civilization will preserve them.

Oh dear, "Why are 200,000 people lined up to try to bust into America, or hang from a plane in Afghanistan?" I'll tell you; the great late president and socially integrated political influencers have always been on a mission to turn America into a socialist country. The people who are coming are coming because the "big giveaway" is on. They know that Whites are on the way out in the West and they are their replacements. Victor Davis Hansen still appears to be as naive as ever, even though he even admits that when in Mexico, his white family members are still regarded as "gringos." Insisting on the impossible over and over only proves one is crazy and sure to fail.

Still, kidding yourself over the reality of our civil war? It was about economics, tariffs, and the North's reliance and need to use the South as a wealth source unconstitutionally. Even Lincoln did not make slavery an issue until 1863. He was The TARIFF candidate and he said so. Southern states began to secede once the Morrill Tariff passed and Lincoln was elected. Before he invaded Charleston Harbor, Lincoln offered the Confederacy that they could keep their slaves if they rejoined and paid the tariff. They refused, so Lincoln sent a resupply flotilla to Fort Sumter while other troops landed in Florida. That was an act of war. The war itself violated all previous rules of conduct toward civilian populations as well as the rules later set down by successive Geneva Conventions. The North did not fight the war with the idea of any reconciliation, but of total displacement and takeover, which is why the Carpetbaggers, etc., rushed down immediately, not relief supplies, forcing the South into desperation and radicalism.

All of the things you are mentioning as American Founding Myths are being solidly and thoroughly rejected by the very "melting pot" result you crow about as being so American and responsible for American Exceptionalism. It's just not true. America succeeded for a long time because it was dominantly made up for Europeans, Western Europeans, PERIOD. Just look at yourselves; you're the only ones left that want to talk about this subject. The 2 million migrants heading our way are joining a majority of the present U.S. population in a total lack of interest in what you are talking about. They only care about getting here and getting their "share" of the booty and the U.S. has begun parting itself out to the world.

"Equality of the Sexes" as a reason for going to war has to be one of the silliest and ill-fated reasons in history! It is at best a social hypothesis of which has not been proven to be beneficial in the West where it has been projected onto. Feminism was a result of the French Revolution and soon after a part to the Marxism platform used to work at the destruction of capitalism. Not understanding this is one of the reasons why the West is collapsing. Yes, millions of looters are coming and they know that they don't even need to check in with anyone and you can walk into virtually any store or outlet and just take what you want!

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The schools took history out of their curriculum so they can substitute it for their version to erase America's future.

Yes VDH is filling in the blank thst governmrnt schools have erased.

Chinese culture only endured in any meaningful sense in Taiwan.

The communists destroyed it on the mainland

I wish more people would listen to lecture/q&a like this than the news. Everyone would be far better learning about history and applying it to the present. Rather than catching a 4 minute news clip about current politics.

Short answer: they were too easy to surround.

“...a symphony of arms...” Brilliant

This should be fun!

Here's to a world of city states

edit: half joking

Sorry gang but our unifying theme is "FREEDOM."

western civilization is doomed and I don't think that ever in history man was so weak, children were indoctrinate in schools, entertainment industry Hollywood with lies, and so much drugs legal and illegals. And equipment for destruction never has power of destruction as today. So to compare what went in history doesn't make sense.

I wonder if the fall of city states is a natural aspect of life. A type of slow motion migration technique that we are not overtly aware of because it’s a process that takes many generations. We are aware of migratory or pop up entities that occur within a life time or a couple of generations. We are not even prepared emotionally or intellectually to handle the failure of a major city due to industrial changes etc.

Sure, you're exceptional, just "look around" and see what you've been doing all around the world for a very long time. What a disgusting bag of "obvious" lies.

Our military was enough. Those who are pulling the strings of the world leaders choreographed the exit from Afghanistan. And purposely left all of our high-tech equipment, which will allow China to seize it and reverse-engineer what they haven't already stolen from our tech companies.

Oddly enough the phenomenon of the (to?) heay Hoplite Armor, apeared again with late mideval Knights and recent Tanks 🤔

Love the conversation, but VDH's hat has a Steve Buscemi vibe that I can't get out of my mind.

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Good interview

About American civic nationalism: I disagree. This is an evolutionary blind alley and the reason for the US decline. The myth, that you can ignore the ethnocentric nature of the human species is what undermines America-that you can include whatever people in whatever numbers and their heritage doesn't matter. The illusion that this is "doable" in America was caused by the incorrect reading of immigration history. The US was created by settlers, who transplanted their entire culture from the British Isles, and then demographically grew. This core demographic was then assimilating newcomers in an ethnocentric manner: by pointing out similarities of racial type-which under normal circumstances are the weakest of all bases for identity building and normally do not amount to anything of value. The racial identification of individuals was changed into ethnic one. This is the only country where this was done, under other circumstances this would be viewed as absurd. In short, Americans were assimilating Europeans by pointing out to them that they are europeans, while maintaining demographical edge and constant growth, so that there was mathematical possibility of overgrowing newcomers - always. Therefore newcomers had the capacity to become assimilated because virtually the entire culture was American and the number of interactions they had with American culture was bigger than they had with their own. Only then did the egalitarianism that the professor mentions did its job. However, the myth of e pluribus unum has caused Americans to design an unrealistic national ethos that allows today to claim nonsenses of multicultural type. In short, the belief that America is based on values, not ethnicity, is costing you your country. The fact that it requires constant care and fight is testimony to its weakness-other societies change constantly, can abandon their religion, shift culture, get decimated in wars and they survive. America with each crisis becomes weaker, because in crisis ethnocentric tendencies reappear, weakening bonds between groups and leaving a permanent scar in memory. For instance, afro-americans are basically their own nation but they are denied sovereignty and control over their destiny in the name of the American ethos. the same with Indians. The South is also a victim of this mentality-they were on the path to becomee their own nation, but this was brutally stopped and they were forced to live in shadows.

Great host! Thank God someone can speak on VDH's level or thereabouts. Highly intelligent questions.

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did the allies Target bridges on the German supply lines during world war II

The Confederacy was our Founding Father's America- Lincoln and the early Republicans were a new America. He has it backwards. The modern left are not the Confederacy. They were not connected at all. The brave Southern patriots who fought for their homes. Lincoln and the Republicans destroyed everything Washington built, and somehow "conservatives" consider him a hero? I think he' s not a real historian.

It's amoral to imprint your culture on others for the purposes of taking away their free will.. very powerful statement.