We’re Losing the Next Pandemic Fight (w/ Jonathan Cohn) | Bulwark on Sunday

I have had both MRNA COVID vaccines and after 4 years I am still waiting on my magnetic super powers.

Dr. Cassidy cosplayed "concern".

China would be a great place except for a few issues. Hopefully some of these are improving if not resolved. One, the culture stifles innovation. Two, There are still human rights issues that could impact placebo controlled studies. Three, there are issues, some significant, with falsifying reports. Not saying these don't occur elsewhere, they do. But in China a lot of cultural history makes the starting point behind where other countries would be starting at. My money would be on Canada, the UK and the EU.

So the USA will be ravaged by a pandemic and China will just move right in…

Ernst Said it well. We're all going to die someday. Unfortunately it's going to be sooner rather than later with what this administration is doing. Very scary.

With 2 young grandsons who have a rare, severe genetic disorder (Telomere biology disorder), I'm horrified that RFK's in charge of U.S. healthcare right now. What our family needs is ongoing research to develop treatments and cures for these rare diseases.

Is it also treason?

Great reporting, Jonathan! Thank you.❤

My son got a job at staples they only gave him enough hours so he didn't get insurance from them so he got Medicare . Are they going to make these companies give more hours and provide insurance 🤔

While Maga is not in power "China virus China virus..." once in power cut every thing that could fight another outbreak and put RFK in charge...

We cant trust anyone in this administration for anything - anyone who does is a fool.

How is it, in 2025 in the United States of America, with supposedly the most advanced healthcare system in the world (or one of them) that we have an anti-vaccine crank running HHS? Does no one care about his? People will die because of the insane decisions he is making, and the responsibility will lie not only with him but with the President who nominated him for the position and those Republican senators who voted to confirm him. I hope they can sleep at. night knowing their decisions are making life worse for the citizens who elected them!

a great solution would be universal healthcare. I still can't believe the US is so backwards when it comes to healthcare.

They don't know the procedures for anything. It's a fricken free for all and they all fly by the seat of their pants. Everything has to be ignored in a constant, lawless way. Their national anthem is "I did it "MY" way"...as long as it's Trump's way. With every violation of human rights, we become the shit-hole country.

Kennedy is a sociopath. His family told the Senators that he's nuts. Just his record alone should have disqualified him. How Senator Cassedy, who is a medical doctor could ever have voted to confirm Kennedy is beyond me. The guy is a total nut job.
Now we are at risk for another pandemic with no vaccines to stop it.
Vaccine skepticism is a lie. It is going to, and actually has already killed people.
Vaccines save lives!

RFKJr. What a massive, ignorant joke he is.

If I may give a production note: Jonathan's voice comes through loud and clear but Bill's is badly muffled. Is it the placement of Bill's mic? Thank you.

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RFK lied? Shocking, just shocking! (NOT) Every member of the cabinet lies, just like Trump is always and constantly lying! Why would anyone believe anything this group of clown car incompetent idiots has to say?

Boom Boom Boom!!!

I don't know a lot about Bill Kristol, he may be a great writer and he may be exceptionally knowledgeable but seriously, he mumbles, digresses, and is almost impossible to listen to. I almost did not watch this because it was him.
However I was impessed how he does let his guests actually answer his questions without interruption. 👍

You speak with great certainty about the safety of the mRNA shots ("We would know it if there were significant adverse reactions..") But have you investigated or spoken with any of the vax injured? or any of the organizations that support the vax injured? or the doctors who treat these patients? or the research evidence that details the nature of the vax injuries? That whole universe seems to be separate from your reporting.

Glad to see you both !!
Speaking of Taylor Swift’s fans growing with her.
I was a senior in high school in 1965.
My life was shaped in no small part by the Beatles.
From innocence through drugs/psychedelics into reflection and self analysis into maturity.

The number of people who continue to scream ' but it changes your DNA ' is astonishing - it's sooo easy to look up how DNA affects RNA & how it cannot flow the other way - ridiculous 😡😡

As a retired Brit living in China, I miss my universal health care through the NHS in the UK. To me it seems like utter madness that the USA, being the wealthiest nation on the planet, charges outrageous amounts for healthcare, causing 100s thousand to go bankrupt every year plus 68,000 to loose their lives because it's beyond their financial reach. Sure the NHS is far from perfect, but it's one of the most efficient/cheapest in Europe. And here in China, I have to pay for my care, but it's quite reasonable and no waiting. Two years ago I had a TURP prostate operation and was in hospital for 6 days at a total cost of about $1,500. From what I've read, that's what it costs per day in the USA. Americans are crazy, and RFK Jr is making it even worse.

Why is this administration so determined to ruin America's future?! Instead of a world leader, it'll become a poor, backward, isolated country - it could be there by 2028 if nothing is done to stop these insanities!!! 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

Kennedy will be rsponsible for the deaths of many people. Hes not even qualified, to do this job. Hes a conspiracy theorist. All the republicans voted him in knowing that he was not qualified. NE T PANDAMIC JUST AROUND CORNER. MEASELS ON STERIODS

People are effing sick of the uncertainty of the vaccine recommendations, in addition to the lack of confidence in the dept. of HHS.

Another pandemic is inevitable. The question is preparedness.

Thank you Bill and Jonathan, great discussion on vaccines and the terrifying (at least to me) situation we are in re preparedness for any upcoming epidemics and/or pandemics.
All respect to U of M. 💙

With what appears to be that the body''s response to Covid vaccine is not a long lasting immunity, that boosters would be beneficial. What we need to know is the duration of immunity, which of course is not the same for all persons, Recommendations for boosters should come from data of the duration of immunity. As an older senior I have had annual boosters. Continue to wash hands, Have not had Covid.

Thanks for the discussion but, Bill, at times your talking too quickly for me to understand what you're saying

As horrible as he is, Mitch McConnell is the only Republican senator to vote against confirming RFK, jr.

Please give Bill K a better microphone or something. He sounds like he's at the other end of a tunnel, and the sound/microphone quality issue is exacerbated by Bill's tendency to mumble, speak way too fast, and allide words together into an incomprehensible grumble, simultaneously lowering both volume and pitch of his voice. I love the guy's writing, and like many others I value what he has to say -- qualified by the ongoing problem that I'm frequently unsure what he's saying.

The best and simultaneously worst thing you can do is put an idiot in charge.

Employers now do everything they can to avoid offering health insurance.

I’m going to have to quit my job if I don’t get health coverage because I can’t really get up and down off the floor which is required fit my job

You can not test nor move innovation forward without funding. RFK must be ousted before the next pandemic wipes us out.

Yes, we should talk about vaccine technology. A national discussion is needed. We've replaced safe and effective with speed and efficiency as priorities in regards to vaccine quality. No one wants to be held accountable for vaccine injury, not the government, not the doctors and not the pharmaceutical companies, why is that? The Covid vaccine was a flop, I expect all the shots made with the new technology for use in viral infections to be exactly as subpar as that one. I think there is hope in the new technology for genetic diseases though, like you mentioned, cancer alzheimers, Parkinson's and such. Some of us just don't think that getting b the cold or flu means that there is something genetically wrong with you, traditional vaccines were better for viruses and carried less damaging side effects. Just my thoughts, I know they aren't popular here in this forum, but honestly, I'm glad RFK is doing the discovery work, that is how we cone to trust them again. ✌

A pandemic got rid of Trump last time. If that's what it takes this time, I'm all in.

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Measles, Hepatitis , Covid coming back and getting worse. Cancer research ? Done.

LOL. Trump will claim America is immune to any pandemic. You'll find out when it's too late.

Thanks to the Bulwark for making some time for the science cuts that this administration is making. I know we all love listening to the political reporting, but I am glad the team is including an expert on the subject. As a scientist I am gravely concerned for the future of healthcare and science in this country.

Vaccines are a gift. RFK Jr is a menace. When do we are a nation get to override this crap he is pulling? Yeah, yeah….vote, blah blah. Takes too freaking long. We could all be dead by the next voting cycle.

i agree cash= work requirements medicare/medicaid= leave it alone

Nothing new about "healthy eating" fads. Happened in the '50s ( Kelloggs Cereal) the '80s ( vegetarian) and now. Each generation thinking too much about the food they eat.

You mean the untreatable TB and Syphylis?

mRNA vaccines help decrease vaccine side effects like Guillain Barre paralysis.

RFK ordered the removal of all panda bears imported from China blaming the measles out break on the bears 🐺