Why Vermont Hates Outsiders

I grew up in New England and nearly wet myself for anyone who was outside
The people are so damn cookie cutter boring paint me safely bland beige
They want to preserve the wealth vs poverty and holding onto the past

every community hates outsiders. we lived in the small of granville, oh. FOR 40 YEARS.
went to h.s. there. went to uni there. because we lived in the town ship and not the town, proper, always
got the cold shoulder. one mile mile out side the town limits was the same as siberia. eff em. go about your life and your business. small minds in a small town will NEVER change...

4 minutes in and i am still trying to wrap my head around'' how can you be a farmer and be liberal?''
''how can you be rural and be liberal''. i am both and i just do not get it...

"Set down Flatlander!" Like that clip from 'The Mountain Men'. North of Brattleborough was a tavern I went to, was surprised to find the Bartender was also from New Jersey, but that was years ago. I wonder if she's still there.

I was one of those pesky college kids who came from out of town. Really enjoyed my time in Burlington/Winooski as a Champlain student, and a part of me did want to stay, but there weren't really any opportunities that I had created for myself to stay there post-graduation (especially as an art major), so I slinked back to NYC.

I think my only time that I've ever really learned about the whole mainlander/flatlander divide was through a professor of mine who went into a good amount of detail about the general VT culture and so on. And funny enough, watching Jonny Wanzer vids is sort of my surviving link to all things Burlington aside from other grads I know who stayed. 😅

(and yes, the F-35s are WAY worse in Winooski)

I was born in mass 10 mins away from Vermont I moved to Vermont around age 6 stayed there till highschool where family moved south and I’m back and it feels like home I have missed it although I get treated like a tourist as I don’t have a Vermont license plate I don’t feel like a tourist I love it here not everything is so far from you at least in Bennington Anyways awesome video it’s great to be back home.

Have you heard? “Oh, you live in Burlington? How nice that you live so close to Vermont.”

I spent 5 years in Vermont.
The best years i ever had.

This guy is deep

All of rural New England is facing the same issues. In the seventies my sisters family moved to a small town in Maine as teachers, and it was understood that regardless of how long they lived there, they would never be considered Mainers. I learned that A Mass license plate brought misconceptions regardless if from WESTERN Mass or not. Now my local area is confronted with people, cash richer, selling their long held properties in urban areas, and moving to far less expensive Western Mass and paying double to triple for local homes, relegating local young families to realizing that home ownership is no longer in the cards. On top of that, when homes do get sold, most are scooped up by out of area "outfits". Along with this comes the more than occasional entitlement expectancies that aren't always fulfilled in rural America. Farm odors, farm equipment noises, snow covered roads (for a bit) animal noises and visits, MUD SEASON. Most of all, it's the attitude that the local culture and attitudes are "quaint" but not "conventional" or "acceptable" norms that they should be subjected too. My personal conflict being school sports mascots, that really sticks in my craw!

Hate on the tourist.... but I believe that rural New Englanders are better "vacationers" that wouldn't trash areas visited, are respectful, quiet, unpretentious visitors to other areas. I count that as to our upbringing!

"I'm not interested in becoming a prop for somebody else's vision of what New England living is... I'm not going to be a figurine in a snow globe '.. lack of recognition that your neighbors are going to make noise, at times, and there might be smells that you may not be use to, to enable people to makes end meet, that have nothing to do with you, enjoying your life in God's kingdom

homogeomous

should've stopped at Alfred's interview......

I’ve jumped back and forth between Coos and Essex counties since I left my tiny, middle of nowhere rural area of Michigan where I was surrounded by Amish farmers. I moved to this area after i I got out of the Navy. I see lots of people from away who stop and take pics of my sheep and barns. People fish on the Connecticut River. I owned this home in Beecher Falls for 41 years. I get lots of offers to buy up my home and property. I often wonder if people from the city realize that locals really hate to see homes being sold and then NO Trespassing signs going up on land that was open before

Vermont has a culture of kindness and openness that outsiders don't understand and also they try to change, unfortunately. It's a bit lawless and we like it that way. People come here and they want to make new rules. Vermont is about being able to relate to anyone no matter what they're about and connecting in a down to earth rather than patronizing way, understanding that everyone has value and their own form of intelligence. Outsiders often don't think it's for real here simply because they do not understand the culture. Vermont is also slow to change and we like it that way. Outsiders bring rapid change without a lot of forethought.

Vermont is also very white and has an incredibly low crime rate. It may be the whitest state in the US. Efforts of groups to diversify it have not been welcome nor are liberal views that are permissive of crime.I don't think it will change for many decades, if at all.

I lived in Vermont and only lasted 9 months. People there are not friendly

Oh my God! I was surrounded by a bunch of Bernie Sanders! A bunch of Karens! A bunch of Anti-Christ people! 😳 They kind of remind me of Amish, but on a flip side.

Totally agree with this. A bunch of people from NY and NJ trying to change Florida. Stop killing the thing you love. Embrace the location, issues, and customs.

Keep Florida...Florida.

Keep Vermont...Vermont.

I grew up in NJ but spent summers at my uncle's place in VT. I lived there in the 70s but not in a great situation as a caretaker for a couple of rich New Yorkers so moved away. Finally got back in the 90s, bought an1830s home and have lived here since. I wanted to live a rural lifestyle-- simple, enjoying the outdoors and fitting in with the locals. As a woman with administrative skills, I had no problem with employment. I married a man from WA state living in NH. Thank God for the internet! It's very hard to meet people here, even though I got involved in the local art scene and lived near a small town. Our main problem has been with a neighbor who inherited his father's extensive woodlands and thinks he's the king of the woods. He sued the Postal Service and receives a mega payment every month so he owns lots of heavy equipment which he uses to log with. He runs the trucks day and night and there's no local ordinance against it. He just does what he wants. He's bought up most of the available real estate and doesn't care who he rents to. It's not a Vermont problem, he's just a rotten person, a big fish in a very little pond! Otherwise, I get along with everyone but I don't put on airs or pretend to be smarter because I went to college. Vermont has some very smart and worldly people-- that's what drew me to the place. We're a "blue" State, in my opinion, because of the incomers and college students in the larger cities. Many Vermonters I know are staunch conservatives.

My family came on the mayflower and in original Salem. We’ve since been like buckshot all over New England. As a military brat, I’m from nowhere yet everywhere across the region. My neighbors still think of me as a flatlander even though my family has their name on historic plaques in montpelier. It’s ignorant.

What they dont tell you is the solar panels are more likely sending the electricity to another state. Maybe there's some tax benefits or something to the local area. Maybe if they're a smaller panel, the people live off the grid, but not big fields of panels.

Because we do. Call us closed minded, ignorant, whatever. My experience is if you grew up here you respect the land unlike anyone else. These mountains are a part of me. (Not everyone is treated this way either. There is a respect we have for eachother one can earn)
Green Mountain Boys for life!

We just want it to stay rural. Burlington is a hell hole right now. Is it not obvious? Doing what you're doing is great, but moving here and bringing the city with you is just gross 🤷🏻

I always loved Vermont and I've been living here for two years now. The people that I've met have been very welcoming. This is where I want to be and this is where I'm going to stay.

Dear Vermont. Get reedy.

My brother has lived in Hawaii for over 50 years , The real natives Look at him as a foreign invader from New England

Is it an only Vermont-thing or more an very rural area's fear - and it is a justified fear of holiday houses ruin property prices and communities changing.

This is a great conversation! I'm from NH--have lived here most of my life; went out west for a while and came back after my daughter was born. We have the same housing issues as a lot of places where it's second homes or just really unaffordable for most people. I'm renting, but even getting a 2 bedroom apartment is out of reach. There is definitely a love/hate relationship with tourists. Logically, yes they help our economies. The traffic is what drives me crazy!

Montana is struggling as well with this same issue--people moving in droves and then wanting to change it to fit their idea of the state. Locals should not be priced out of their home states; it's wrong on so many levels.

Love to see people come and have a great time doing any number of awesome things. But even more,we love to see your taillights

One best true captures of Vermont and its people I've seen.

Grow up in Texas in the 80s -90s and watch your state get completely invaded by ten other countries predominantly Mexico and Haiti… and California. You people don’t even know what it’s like to have your entire state overrun with “outsiders”. Texas’s identity is completely wiped out and half the country including Vermont allegedly voted for it.

Bernie Sanders is a awful person.

Because we do. They buy up all the land post it. Hate hunting and vermont traditions. They try and tear at the fabric of what makes vermont vermont.

I had a friend who ran a B&B in Vermont in the 90s. He used to call into a radio show and talk to the host. He called into one day and lauded the ingenuity of the local chamber of commerce for starting the Take Back Vermont campaign. He thought it was a marketing thing to get people to buy souvenirs and local goods to take home. The host was like dude, that’s an anti gay campaign. It was definitely an Emily Litella moment.

You have only to see the organized opiate and pharma poisoning, ridiculous rents and economic deprivation's and death of almost the entirety of the blue collar class here. By design. "Wink wink nod nod...oops they're all dead! Even with all of the funding that we solicited!!!! Oh well! Home values and the market is soaring! That's the main thing." Let's get those immigrants working!!!!🤢🤮

The attitude of most Northern New Englanders in Vermont, New Hampshire and really bad in Norther Maine where I grew up

Born in Randolph and because of the taxes and some stupid liberal gun laws, I'll not be moving back.

Moved to barre from upstate NY when I was 19. Took an interview at Bolton valley and the interviewer told me to go back to NY. I lasted 6 months till I moved back. Vermonters are pretty xenophobic

I hate vermonters and im moving out next week. Talk about the most closed minded miserable people.

I'm from Vermont. born and raised live 40 years, we don't hate outsiders. We just don't want to be over populated. We like our space.😊

Vermonts a huge area with a small population maybe the governor should build affordable housing for the poor people there. I live in Plymouth Ma my whole life I had to buy a 960 sq foot ranch for 415 k cus a lot of houses here are rental properties for people that aren’t from here or second summer homes for people that aren’t from here. Complaining about isn’t going to stop it.

Vermon T. Funny name.

People everywhere choose to live in their mental state of hell, no matter the senario, situation, conditions, lack or abundance of wealth. Their obession to control due to their own inequities make them inherently destitute. If you can't make ends meet, stop blaming others for your own laziness.

GET RID OF THE HEAD PHONES WHEN YOU INTERVIEW PEOPLE / YOU LOOK VERY PLASTIC

Man, Vermont used to just wallop us on the regular. It looked so cool! It looked so lovely and verdant and like the home of excellent hiking and weekends! And then we'd go there from southern New England and it'd try to murder us. Not very hard, of course. If it was trying hard it would've succeeded. And we'd retreat all bruised and saying what the actual fuck, Vermont, what the hell did we do to you? And then we'd try to warn the next guy and nope. Same story again.

Except that this was happening 30 years ago. So...I mean, I don't think it's recent gentrification doing it.

Also, I know this is an older video, but there were lots of us working remotely pre-covid. You just didn't pay any attention to us because we were mostly women with serious caregiving responsibilities and office work was basically set up to shut us out in a completely misogynist way. So we worked remotely, online but via email and group calls, as gig workers, and because we weren't "serious" (hoW coULd wE be WoRkinG wiTh KiDS aRouNd), we got paid garbage for professional work, often done late at night, when kids were at school, whenever. Hugely deadline-driven, basically sweatshop jobs with long hours because the pay was so low, often below minimum, and when the Great Recession came around we also had no unemployment insurance. When covid did happen and men were suddenly working at home, all of a sudden it was intolerable -- AN OUTRAGE -- not to treat online work as real work, so real salaries appeared. My income tripled. Same work, triple the pay, salaried, benefits. So fuck you guys, but you better believe I cleaned up as soon as I was able. Paid off my house, socked it away for retirement, everything. This single mom is 1000% unapologetic about retiring boomer-style soon. Men complaining about being shut out of anything, I'm not interested.

The fact you are a Bernie Sanders lover, tells me everything I need to know about you...Stay in Chittenden County, they deserve you...
Vermont here,
Bill...
PS: MAGA - AMERICA FIRST... 🇺🇸 🇺🇲

I'm from the Midwest, and I would dearly love to move to VT and have a quieter life. Be involved in the community, enjoy the gorgeous environment, geek out about the history. Have a nice piece of land to keep my horses on. We CANNOT afford VT prices. The houses that do pop up are in terrible condition, and completely inappropriate to move a family into without a million-dollar reno budget. We are normal people with normal jobs. I feel bad for native VTers who can't afford homes in their own state as well. We're both victims of the same problem.

As a Vermonter who grew up “Stowe-adjacent”, I can say that early on, we were told that tourism was our primary source of income and revenue. If you want to live here after you are raised here? Go to college, get a degree and work here. Or start a business that grows.
Quit yer bitchin’

NH, ME, and VT all despise people from MA, RI, NY, NJ, and CT. We can't stand them. They really just ruin our way of life.