Why I Don't Show Other Desktop Environments ...

Hmm .. Wayland is not exactly for everyone. A couple of days ago, I tried Fedora with KDE. And it was buggy as all heck. As far as the internet rabbit hole took me, I noticed a pattern where Wayland with KDE is very buggy most times regardless of the distro. I have a Nvidia card and at first chucked it up to that- Nvidia drivers being a mess, but it seems that other people using Intel Arc or AMD had the same issue - flickering windows and UI elements. Sooo ... At the moment, I would not recommend KDE with Wayland, simply due to the fact that I had no such issues on GNOME.

I have better reaults with X11 for gaming " in my case ".

If your multiple monitors match, then X11 usually works fine. However, if they don't, especially the refresh rate, you will likely run into problems.

Nome is loved

I thought Mate was prounced "Ma-tay"

More modern can, sometimes, be less good.

I think you said it perfectly. The desktop environment you use should be what works for you.

its currently invested in Gnome, i was a long time plasma lover... I am also liking the hyprland wm...

We should laser focus on bringing new users to the new user friendly environments, when they grow, then we show them customization.

GNOME and KDE Plasma provide some of the best accessibility options on a Linux desktop.

I've never liked GNOME 3 or newer because of how bulky it feels, and other issues I have with it. That's why I chose to stick with MATE and XFCE. KDE has a similar problem for me. Right now wayland is not important, especially considering I play games that have no support for it anyway. (EG: FFXIV.)

I like your t-shirt. Where to buy it? xD

KDE is too much (looking for a specific setting is similar to Windows experience - a jungle of settings), also i really don't like Dolphin. Gnome - the philosophy of (insecure) extensions and non-desktop experience is something that repulses me, in the same time I like simplicity of settings and modern look. The best DE imo is UKUI and Deepin DE, but those come from China :(
Cinnamonn is just something like "ok" - not the best, not the worst, comparing to KDE and Gnome it might be not too bad. I do not use keyboard shortcuts, so I don't mind about that feature. Mate is also a thing - not very modern, but very customisable and for me Mate provides good user experience (but it has a problem with scalling system tray icons - they are too big if you make a panel bigger, and I think KDE has the same problem).

Summarizing - there is no good linux DE for me - some are better, some are worse, other are just ok, but no DE makes me feel "wow, this one is really good to use and looks awesome".
I hope one day we will see a DE like ChromeOS or a non-Chinese Deepin/UKUI DE.

Your vids made me install linux 5 months ago with Fedora 39 with Gnome 45. I now use Arch with AwesomeWM

Been using xfce on wayland by replacing xfwm with mutter. Sure it's more like "gnome" with xfce4 panel but 1gb ram use on idle is just that tempting

People/Distros are going to have no choice but to migrate to Wayland in the medium term. One of the biggest maintainer of X11 code base is RedHat, and once they complete their migration, the amount of bug/security support will get will decrease substantially. We're in for some pain, especially with Nvidia, but the current 555 beta drivers look to be getting close to prime-time for the masses.

Also, I completely understand not showing other DEs. For most newbies, Gnome/KDE (and maybe, ???, Cosmic DE, currently still pre-alpha) are going to be the best experience. And if you aren't a newbie, you already should know about the alternatives and can investigate them yourself.

funny he suggests the 2 worst ones lol

I agree that first impressions matter alot for someone who is looking into this as a non linux user

For me KDE Plasma is #1. XFCE is also good but looks old. GNOME looks like mobile device system. Cinnamon is something between old and modern but still not my taste.

wayland is unusable right now. definitely hope they improve it in the future, but it just DOES NOT WORK. and now instead of waiting for it to mature they're ruining the experience of everyone by forcing wayland. it's annoying.

Wayland just don't work properly if you use Linux for something other than programming, watching videos and scroll web. If you need Nvidia cards for neural networks and other staff, you will get a completely broken experience. Some windows flickering, renders don't work, applications in Wine often don't work and have no workaround on Wayland. And XWayland do not work like X11 at all, it's buggy too. So it's just personally your experience with AMD/Intel video cards and not much to do on your PC. For me, Wayland is unusable.

I would just like to say...that enlightenment desktop environment is so modular it can do anything...

I don't have a good first impression on you

imo gnome is the only de that can really make a layman switch right now. Others are mostly just windows, but worse. Linux has to be visually pleasing and unique to grow, because regardless of microsoft's shit, windows destroys it when it comes to end user experience. Messy UI is a pain spot of windows, so using this fact in your own marketing is only logical.

"Cinnamon doesn't follow current trends." That is the point. Most people coming from windows want something that looks like Windows 7. Look at Windows 8 and Windows 11. Even users on those OSes were installing things like Classic Shell to get back to a Windows 7 look and feel.

I've had stability issues with Plasma for a long time but since Plasma 6 I don't think I've had any issues, and Plasma 6.1 is looking even better. I'm still pining after the new update to the Breeze icons that haven't arrived yet. It wont be complete until I have those!

Windows users aware of X’s keypress sharing will definitely opt for a wayland distro. These users will often start with a VirtualBox VM. As VirtualBox requires xwayland for wayland to work, these users will be limited to a couple distros – KDE and GNOME. So, thumbs up on presenting these two Linux variants. Consider demoing how any non-root app running in X can capture the keypresses for any financial account userid/pw entered into a browser, and sudo pw entered into a terminal, any message typed into an editor/mail/messaging app. Use xinput for the demo.

Sadly, KDE Plasma 6 has been an extremely buggy experience for me. I've essentially been in a limbo ever since. Which is exactly what happened when Ubuntu stopped developing Unity. Ngl, desktop linux is a pain in the ass.

...you think we use shortcuts?

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As someone with a multi-monitor setup that's been put-off by linux because of X11 lag, I was so excited that Wayland finally got better. I tried installing both Ubuntu and Fedora, but with either of them when I used the full resolution and refresh rate of all 4 of my montiors the displays would start flickering insanely, and the only option was to change my main 240hz monitor's refresh rate to 120hz to fix the issue. I have no idea if it's because I'm somehow overwhelming it with my monitors (1440p at 240hz, 1440p ultra-wide at 100hz,1440p at 165hz and 4k and 120hz) or something else but it made me give up on linux again. I find it hilarious that Linux works flawlessly on obsolete hardware from the 90s that's impossible to find drivers for on Windows, but it's struggling when it comes to high-end PCs. Hopefully wayland improves even more and native HDR support gets added so I can finally transition away from windows, without feeling screwed for spending thousands on good monitors/tv.

Cinnamon is Windows-like and is great for new Linux users. Me likes but im moved to KDE Plasma 6 recently

KDE neon for me.

Im a XFCE lover but I do admit it looks dated and monitors can be hepatic. You can’t argue with its incredible speed but unfortunately it does feel dated. KDE is amazing but it’s easy to get lost if you come from other OS while Gnome is beautiful but… it’s almost like it really hates you customising it. I lost count of how many times I had issues with it. Nothing is perfect but I do agree KDE and GNOME are the cutting edge but who knows what will happen in the near future.

I left windows 11 and went straight to hyprland lol. I figured that if i had to learn something new, why not challenge myself a little. I’m now on dwm and it’s amazing! Plasma 6 is nice too but imo too much like windows (whom I now hate with a passion). Great content sir! Keep up the good work!!!!

This is the reason i didn't liked Mint at all . That oldish Ui not for me

I WANT to try migrating to Wayland with the bridge, but I can't get Wayland to run my display with 4K@60hz, it tops out at 30hz. It works fine at 60hz under X11 and Windows, but specifically Wayland refuses to offer a 60hz option. It's possible to provide a manual config file if this problem ever shows up on X11, but I can't find any way to do something similar under Wayland. It may be some kind of quirk with Wayland on Nvidia, but I'm not giving up my RTX4090 just to make Wayland happy.

What about lxqt its similar to kde but lighter and in 2.0.0 they added wayland support

I started with Gnome, now on KDE and Hyprland on two of my devices. All of them are great, maybe the new cosmic de will be great too

I do agree with a lot of the criticisms aimed at Wayland for breaking things that just worked before. For my own part, I would have been much happier with the transition had Wayland provided equivalents for all the various little X11 utilities, like xprintidle. A lot of scripts use these little utilities, and a lot of them simply have no direct equivalent under Wayland. That being said, I have been working on building or finding alternatives for a while now, and I finally have XScreenSaver working fully on Plasma under Wayland, complete with DPMS and session locking (and not using XScreenSaver's locking hack). It would have been great for the Wayland project to have taken on a compatibility layer for these tools on their own, though.

I am the absolute minority and run LXDE ,out of the box it looks absolutely ancient,but i only make it look slightly less ancient bcz it doesnt bother me.The absurdly low ram and cpu usage are a good fit for my old hardware

you are right... thanks for make this video 👍
but i'm not encourage people to install gnome or kde anyway..
they both heavy left leaning..
i'm a right wing person and i cant stand with CoC and MIT license...

maybe i should wait until someone make gpl compatible bsd and make us free from Linus Torvalds communist world

Kde 🩵🤍

I fell in love with Plasma the FIRST time I tried it. Never used anything else after that!

I keep IceWM installed because of how little RAM it uses by default, which makes it perfect for memory-bound tasks. In some games it's the difference between a slideshow and playable performance. Though normally I use KDE (which sadly eats 2.2GB of RAM with nothing running and everything in startup closed).

Unfortunately, for some software you end up having to create "icewm start scripts" because they expect certain env vars to be set, env vars that are set by kde, but not in IceWM, so you need a script that sets those up to the values expected by the program in question, then launch it. And a simple shell script is the best way to do it.

Linux Mint Cinnamon's simplicity and ease of customization makes it the best for me. KDE is close second. Gnome or TWMs aren't for me.

As a new Linux user, I'm so used to ctrl+C and ctrl+V for copy and paste, so I constantly accidentally pressing them whenever I need to copy and paste.