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Onr is such a great product, im glad the testing showed the same.
Thanks for another fantastic video have been waiting for this one. Legend.
Just a fascinating watch. I'm not really that much of a car guy and only started taking an interest in detailing over the last month or so. Loving your work, even if I don't follow all of it. The passion, integrity and commitment to your videos are a breath of fresh air.
ОтветитьVery good test, thank you for that! Im using ONR, a 1l botte is good for a year for me. OPT is a strange company, not so much test, people's or love it or hate, kind off like religion. One is for sure, if you will get in most likely you will stick. Got opti seal and work great wit ONR. Just week ago power clean gets delivered to my doors, and i think again a very good stuff, but a bit over priced. Btw, are you planning to test power clean from Optimum?
ОтветитьFeynlab of these ones for me still. All of your observations are absolutely right, I just like that it cleans so well
Buuuuuut Garage Therapy is better.
Most important for me is the cleaning capability. In the end it is the main reason why you’re washing your car. From my point of view I would argue that the feynlab is the winner in this video. Going to try it soon!
ОтветитьThanks for the comprehensive video Jon. Interesting to hear your comments re the ones with SI02 added. That would be a mark down for me as my car is ceramic coated and these rinseless wash characteristics would mask the proper coating characteristics. I would be only concerned that it didn’t add marring as opposed to it reducing marring. Horses for courses though! They would be good for a badly scratched car.
ОтветитьAlways had the same feeling for RRW, good to know.
ОтветитьI was able to buy the DIY Detail V1 Rinseless Wash in a 128 fl oz size for about $59 CAD. They now have a V2 for $69 CAD and have stopped producing the V1. I suppose they don't likely sell it in that size in UK however. I was previously using Griot's Garage 10939 Rinseless (64oz) which was $23 CAD (now $30) and I noticed very little difference in performance, however it was 140:1 instead of 256:1.
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Stayed out of the comment section before watching this, was expecting more spice if I’m honest, early days maybe.
Have used Rrw a couple of times now and like it, Uk pricing is also good and hoped it would do well.
Great vid Jon
Great work. The best detailing comparisons on YT
ОтветитьHi mate do you have an idea of the best QD that cleans dust but most importantly glosses the car up? Too many on the market lol
ОтветитьAlso, P&S Absolute's scent is officially Coconut Lime
ОтветитьRecently used ONR on the only 2 white PVC double glazed windows I can get to. Worked very well and the glass buffed off as good or better than my ordinary glass cleaner. ONR is what I had so not saying something else wouldn't have done an equally good job. For me if something works no point in making a potential mistake with anything else. At least, not until the bottle is empty. LOL.
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ОтветитьI want to like rinseless but I prefer a traditional soap wash. I don’t feel like I can get the car as clean when I do a rinseless wash. Maybe it’s the wash media. I don’t feel that the sponge can get into all of the seams and cracks / crevices. I don’t feel like microfiber is safe enough for me. Sure, there are people who preach the “Gary Dean Method” but I think it’s mental to use 50 towels to do a single wash. (Exaggerating the towel quantity)
ОтветитьA good detailed test. For the people who have used Rinseless washes a fair bit, its fairly safe to assume that they can all be used to cover the typical cleaning bases and are far more versatile than regular car shampoos, but as you have seen, some are better than others at certain things.
Polymer washes are really good at cleaning glass, so much so I don’t need a glass cleaner any more.
Feynlab Pure Rinseless really is incredibly good at deep cleaning. As you have thought, it can be used as a regular bucket shampoo if you wanted. The benefit of this method is how very free rinsing it is. For this reason, it’s great for assessing water behaviour after a wash as it doesn’t leave anything behind, it leaves a very ‘pure’ surface. Also, due to its cleaning capability, it can be used at 1:500 at no problem at all. Finally, one of its best uses is as an initial polish wipe, particularly on soft paint. Due to its cleaning ability and as it doesn’t leave anything behind (Feynlab are very proud of this), it can be used as a panel wipe, which is safer than typical panel wipes due to the increased lubrication. This is a godsend on pain like Honda or soft Porsche black paint. The Carbon Collective seems to be able to be used in this way too, as can the new Garage Therapy rinseless wash.
I know you said that smell isn’t important to you, but if you are using the rinseless wash as your interior cleaner, if it smells nice, it adds a nice smell to the car after use, which is better than a stinky smell!
I always have 2 different rinseless washes to hand; Feynlab for its cleaning power and panel wipe ability and a polymer rinseless wash that tends to be better on glass, interiors and as a clay lube. The Koch Chemie would be ideal for this at that price.
Big plus with ONR that im not sure you can safely say with the others is the ability to wash in direct sunlight without any issue
ОтветитьI’ve been using different rinsless washes over the last 2 years and last month I decided that RRW was my favorite and that’s the only one I use from now on. Happy to see you got the same result! It’s by far my favorite.
ОтветитьBrilliant work Jon 👍👍👍 i have p&s diy Wolfgang ultima and only use them as a drying aid /clay lube/ QD…. Drying aid is my main use for slickness when towelling the car down with ultima being the slickest so far for me leaving my cars paint slippier than a slippy thing🤣🤣🤣 and in my head I just think the dirt finds it that bit harder to stick to it…even if it’s not the case.
I will be trying the fen labs next in a foamer on my cars shuts as it’s a pet hate for me using the jet wash on them and the extra care of making sure I don’t soak the interior 🤣🤣 as my aim isn’t what it use to be🤣
its interesting to see onr not acing the mar reduction considering so many love it for clay lube
appreciate all your work on all these shootouts
Which would be the best if used only as a QD that didnt leave any protection behind?
ОтветитьKudos for the obvious amount of thought and effort (not to mention expense) involved in this, very useful, comparison Jon. Don't criticize or do yourself down for not using some laboratory test technique either. You compare products based on real-world usage, which is how we use them.
I noted on your other post that the GT version has had some good comments, though I don't expect you to go through all of that again to include it...not for a few years, anyway.😊
The results pretty amaze me.
I don`t use rinseless wash but what I`ve gothered from videos, the top 3 are
Feynlab
Hero
DIY
Rrw is always suggested but no one said is the best. I guess the price aspect raises its place.
I really want a spreadsheet without the value aspect.
Can't wait to not be able to try the Koch Chemie in Australia because when it finally arrives 6+ months after the rest of the world gets it, it will be $50+ for a litre, not the bargain it is in the UK ($25 AUD equivalent) ONR is almost the only one to buy down here, P&S is ok price too but everything else is just too expensive to justify when ONR does it just as good or better and is cheaper
ОтветитьThanks for another great video Jon, I have found that the ability release dirt actually being most important for me. I am not sure how you are evaluating cleaning power, as practically speaking as long as it encapsulates the dirt it will be easy to remove with the sponge, so the releasing power is critical to the overall cleaning process. Did you evaluate encapsulating ability of the products?
ОтветитьThanks for another great video Jon, I have found that the ability release dirt actually being most important for me. I am not sure how you are evaluating cleaning power, as practically speaking as long as it encapsulates the dirt it will be easy to remove with the sponge, so the releasing power is critical to the overall cleaning process. Did you evaluate encapsulating ability of the products?
ОтветитьInteresting results. From a price point, it’s interesting that the brand that’s marketed to the DIY’er isn’t necessarily at the DIy price point for whatever reason. The same with their gold standard polish £30 for just under half litre bottle. That’s £20 more a litre than Rupes.
ОтветитьAbsolute favourite test, that was a monster of a test and a round of applause to you John 👏 🙌 🎉. You could tell a lot of hard work had gone into this so I appreciate all you have done. Very very interesting review, a clear split of surfactant based and polymer heavy rinse-less washes.
The US based rinse-less washes via their social media say to only use it on light soiling that's mainly dust based or use their proprietary shampoo and use the bucket and wash pad. The European rinse-less are more surfactant based which is interesting. I feel there is more development to be had in this technology and we're at the beginning.
I really like how non biased this test has been and you crunched the numbers purely based on your experience and what physical evidence you have gathered on the labels, Socials and user experience.
Despite the fact I'm using Hero, Idrosave and Absolute which are great products that I only use when my cars are lightly soiled with fallout dust and rain spots mainly. These brands provide top results. I've not used any of them beyond their capabilities i.e thick salt and winter grime. Maybe Fenylab and Koch are more capable in this area. This test has opened up new thoughts and ideas I've not considered. Which makes this test very valuable.
I do think the US social media are a little bit bias towards their own brands from their reviews. I also think their testing is way less conducive to pushing them beyond the product limits. So that's to be noted.
Exceptional video and I now have a better idea of rinse-less products from the broadest test so far. 🙌.
Lastly, where is the Red peril? Is it coming back to the channel, or has it been sold? It's been months 😢
Really impressive for onr coming 3rd in cleaning power. I have an old onr (v5 in my country came only recenlty) and I don`t think has any cleaning power.
I was thinking of Feynlab, do you think I should go for onr again?
Rrw also came now
Bilt Hamber Rinseless!!! Please give it us!!!!
Ответитьany reason to suspect the RRW couldnt be used on the interior surfaces like any other rinseless? Leather plastics screens etc.?
ОтветитьI have used ONR, ONR with Wax (the green stuff not the blue) and most recently I have been using Wolfsgang Uber with SiO2 since all my cars are ceramic coated. I'd like to see a version of the "enhanced" ones and I would also like to see how the AMMO NYC frothe compares, though his is not the same as these rinesless. Good video, thanks!
ОтветитьGreat comparison video, reminds me of the old days. I didn’t realise there were so many rinseless washes out there as I always use ONR or McKees. Just bought Garage Therapy’s to try and initial impressions are pretty impressive. Pity it’s not in the test, bigger pity there was a falling out!
ОтветитьFunny enough, Rrw works great for me in the mornings when it's not too warm and hero works better in the afternoon when it is, mind you, this is in Merida, Mexico where cold is around 20c and warm is in the 30s. Also, Rrw seems to leave some spots that requires a second pass with a dry towel while hero just seems to evaporate.
ОтветитьI like RW's for interiors, QD's, drying aid. They can eliminate a few products. I limit them to those functions only. I will occasionally do a RW for the entire vehicle only if it's lightly dirty. No way in hell will I attempt it when the car is very dirty, although some say it can be done if done carefully. I've tried most and I really like DIY RW. Opinions will vary. User preference.
ОтветитьFirst of all: really thourough and well thought-out test!
Then, what I personally found very interesting that you seem to have found a correlation between "dirt release" capabilities and cleaning power. Could it not just be that the products which seemed to perform well in the "dirt release" test just didn`t have that much dirt in the towels from the getgo (because they don't clean well)?
Very interesting and thorough as always John, thanks so much! From this I will probably keep Absolute for summer and ONR for winter and gonna try RRW as its 30% cheaper!! I am just wondering about Carbon collective, cant google it out, even find it on their homepage??
ОтветитьThank you for test! Very surprised at the low cleaning power of DIY and Hero.
ОтветитьJon, incredible ! The only product would have liked to see in the test is - Ultima Waterless /Rinseless - I’ve mentioned it before. I think it’s a sleeper - not well promoted like the American products / I thing Ultima is a German brand. Also make a great interior conditioner.
ОтветитьI recall when it first came out (ONR) i maybe wrong, but you could add it to your normal shampoo, and it would help with dirt release along with its water softening feature
ОтветитьJon, thanks for the exhaustive testing on these products. You were very consistent with your scoring criteria. Well done. Cheers.
ОтветитьThumbs down because you didn't include PLAIN WATER! How could you be so un scientific?! Sigh.
ОтветитьWill definitely be buying the carbon collective at £19.99 a litre , 🇬🇧
ОтветитьWhich of these would be preferred for cleaning low/mid/high levels of dirt in an engine bay?
ОтветитьA brilliant informative detailed and very honest test jon.Well done
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