The ORIGINAL "Flying Ashtray!"...CCI Lawman .45 ACP Self-Defense AMMO Ballistic Gel Test!

Sad no expansion

You’re the man Tools. Keep em coming bro.

Going back down memory lane, I had a box of Speer Lawman branded flying ashtrays (yellow box) purchased back in 1984 - purchased to have something "just in case" for my 1911. I probably burned them up on the range sometime in the 1990's. Gel test performance doesn't really surprise me - "Miami" happened in 1989, which led to development of the "FBI protocol", which led to Speer's development and introduction of the Gold Dot in 1991.

.45 ACP: Because you can't throw a trash can at 800 fps. Lol

What REALLY impressed me was that both your pistols fed the "Flying Ashtrays" without having to first polish their feed ramps. Back when those rounds were used by Law Enforcement (in both Colt's 1911s and Smiths chambered in .45ACP) it was pretty much a given that the feed ramps would require a fine level of polishing in those types of pistols. As good as the Lawman series was, I still think the (original) Cor Bon loading with its 200grnish "Flying Ashtray" was utilized by any number of Law Enforcement agencies. Those Cor Bon rounds were HOT in the high +p or possibly even +p+ range. I wish I still had the two boxes I held onto until around 2004 when I fired them out of my then P-90 Ruger service pistol. Even in 2004 those nearly 20-year-old rounds were barn burners sure enough!

Anyone else notice his Paul Harrel references? The high tech towel down there to catch it? Enough of a difference to make a difference? Anyone? Whatever, I'll give ya a sub JUST for that, Paul is TRULY LEGENDARY

Can you try it without the cloth?

i like how you show side by side comparison data of most commonly used barrel lengths, loads, different manufacturers, velocity, ft/lb, standard deviations, etc …all using clear ballistics blocks. Keep up the great vids!
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Try this test again, but fill them with wax. I've done this to some success.

Thought an old shcooler like u would've known the wax trick.

Man great stuff as always from you. Just a suggestion for a video, I’d like to see the ballistic tests for the 357 magnum federal 180 grain power shock out of a lever action.

Just for giggles it would have been interesting to see what they would do with bare gel....

I'm sure just a T-shirt would allow this to perform 😢

I think I remember hearing about these rounds during the Ed Sanow/one shot stops writing in the early 90’s.

Hey Tools&Targets! Got the Bog Deathgrip gun tripod in the carbon fiber flavor. Thoughts?

Hey Tools&Targets, It appears they took a Milwaukee drill and poked a hole in that bullet and called it a day. Great tech back then. Cheap and inconsistent hole size on the bullet design that they called a “hollow point.”

This was the load of choice back when I got my first 1911. But I had an occasional FTF so I switched to 185gr Winchester Silvertips for defense. Glad I didn't have to depend of them.

Ashes to ashes jelly time..... made me belly laugh. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

You should do another video of these projectiles in some hot hand loads to see if they like the extra velocity.

Usually there is a reason when a famous product drops off the marketplace...

Thats a beautiful Autumn backdrop for your video. I miss that living in FL

If i still had a full box of the Aguila 117 grn. 45 ACP Super Hollow Points I'd send it only have maybe 10

Stinks, just like ashtrays.

I keep 3 mags of 230 grain jhp with serrated jackets and +p load.

Good info ty ❤👍

That bullet loaded to +P pressures by Cor-bon was a wicked bowling pin killer back in the 90s.

Was my everyday carry back in the 80’s (before everyday carry was legal) 😊

I thought SuperVel made the original flying ashtray

I loaded that Speer bullet in my Ruger 4 5/8 Blackhawk at about 1200 fps. It had to be nasty at that velocity. Still have a few. It also fed just fine in my 5" Series 70, but Richard Heinie had worked on the feed ramp and opened up the ejection port. Today, many 1911's come that way.

Being 74 , I can remember when those rounds were considered the shit . I had some at one time , might even have a box stuck somewhere still . The crazy thing to me is , if it did this bad in a 1911 5" . WTH were they shooting it out of to make them think this stuff expanded ?!? No better than a FMJ like I had to carry in RVN . Great testing !

Agreed. Good test and commentary. Best thing was I guessed 900 fps out of the 5” barrel. Due to your method of determining speeds out of all the videos I have seen. Be safe. 😎⭐️🇺🇸😎

Since Lawman is now considered the FMJ training compliment to Gold Dot, would Gold Dot be considered the modern descendant of this?

I think the whole point of making modern pistol ammunition with a hollow point in the first place was for the purpose of a speed brake effect to make the rounds less likely to penetrate through a human body therefore conserving the energy for inside the target and minimizing potential threat to innocent bystanders. Although us as shooters like to see it in demos, I don't know that any medical experts have positively said that a hollow point bullet is more effective because of it's expansion which creates a wider secondary wound channel... I can't remember where I've heard it or read it but the jist of it was that standard defensive pistol loads don't create substantially different wound channels in real bodies so that you can't tell just by a wound channel whether the bullet was a 9mm or 45 acp.

Imagine if those "ashtrays" had HST skives.

Man I watch way way to much YT great video keep it up man🇺🇸👍🏼

Another golden oldie JHP to test would be PMC Starfire. Heard good. 😊

You look like a idiot 😂😂😂

I still have several boxes of them, a couple boxes of Silvertips, a couple boxes of HydraShocks and some boxes of original "Black Talons". We called the Speer the Flying Manhole, I've never heard the term Flying Ashtray.
After 38 years I still carry a .45, now an STI DVC Omni, loaded with Critical Duty.

Why would you not go ahead and try a shot into bare gel. You know you're gonna get a bunch of these comments.

Good test Tools God Bless.

Let the Fudd comments begin.😂😂😂

Cool channel, I appreciate the testing you do. I had no idea so many .45 HPs were having issues expanding.

May have missed it but have you tested out those Hydra-Shok stuff with the center post in the HP?

Interesting election ends and the jelly man starts showing up in my feed again.

"Cigarretes are bad for you. They really damage your insides."
"You haven't seen what ashtrays can do..."

If the hollow points don’t expand they act like ball ammo

I remember reading about these in American Rifleman (back when I had any faith in the NRA).

Back in the 1980's reloaders strove to get 1000fps to attempt proper expansion from this bullet. Today there are better choices available in 45ACP

I thought SuperVel made the original flying ashtray

They seem like they are soft loaded. But then again most 45 ACP has been. Especially if we're calling it a plus P. The penetration is excessive because the velocity is slower than it should be. If the initial impact were stronger, there would be more expansion and less penetration.