EVH TONE DEEP DIVE feat. DAVE FRIEDMAN and PETE THORN/GUITAR SUMMIT 2020

Very nice, nailed it.

WOW MAN!!!✌️💛🤘

Im creaming for that tone OH MY GOD

The opening with atbl has more 1979 VHII live vibes

This is the closest I've heard to his tone. pretty amazing, Pete!

Why did you take the neck off when changing the strings? And the gold one def sounds way better.

Did you do a video on some mystery device that Jose made for Eddie in the early days? I seem to remember a b&w photo, a silhouette of some clunky thing with a horizontal handle. Surely it wasn't just a variac.
I saw it around when he passed and remember seeing someone really nail the sound like none other. Much like here.

On a smartphone built-in speaker some of the total differences that you refer to in each case are maybe half a percent to 1% maybe. Obviously when you're dealing with 8.6 k pick up compared to a 1 4. 1 that makes a big difference and with respect to a 50 k-pot as well as the variac which warms up the sound add in the fat cap low end response is a little better. Ed from all the other copycats had a very special thing and that is he had a much better mid-range, and not that crappy scoop sound that a lot of guys that work with distortion 10 to end up getting out of their rig. Setting the variac down to 90 volts warmer tone without making it too dark and I think because the amp is specked for 110 volts, the sponginess, the SAG and the fact that a crank treble and they cranked presence doesn't cause a strident tone is awesome. I've only heard a jcm 800 with cranked treble and presence and it sounds so piercing like a ice picking your fucking head that I had to tell some good friends of mine who actually have a really good rock and roll band is that their guitar tone live in a small club setting is painful. I don't think they get it but when you're standing in front of the amp although they do get good mid-range, good punch and articulation that cuts through the mix laser beam that pierces your eardrums. When I told the guitar players this they were totally cool but my friend is the drummer and when I explained to him the issue with the am setting and it had nothing to do with it tightness, the playing in tune, the groove or the song writing of the band he got on this sensitivity trip acting like I was just one of the fans with an opinion despite the fact that I've been playing guitar for 40 years and although it's not what I do for a living I have at least 10,000 hours plus probably more like 20,000 all the actual practice time. Also every several months my practice ends up turning into noodling for a few months and that always happens when I learned some new things, when I actually use my free time for disciplined practice I always get in at least an hour to an hour and a half a day of seriously disciplined practice and maybe another hour or two of jamming to backing tracks for jamming with another player. In other words although I've been in a number of bands, I consider playing with other people to be the absolute best tool for developing overall musicianship. The problem that I have when I don't play with other people for a while is that I might develop better chops, but some of the groove in the feel is going to suffer because of using a metronome or a click and not getting the sort of timing that you develop with a real drummer. Groove is obviously dependent on your ability to communicate with other players and to instinctively know where things are going. Obviously, with some drummers who are a little bit looser but still awesome you end up often playing somewhere in front of or behind the time, where is other drummers that are more like Neil Peart on some level, you end up having a different kind of groove. When you play by yourself the song that you often are going for is it going to be at a lower volume so you're not getting the power tubes in their the sweet spot. Additionally you end up not staying in your lane far as bass and treble are concerned. When you play by yourself you are obviously going after a fuller sound that takes up more overall frequency. When you're playing with a band year frequency is going to be a little bit more mid-range focused because you have the bass player l, the kick drum, the the vocalist and the cymbals filling in the low and higher registers . When I start playing with people again it's going to take me a few weeks to communicate with them, to realize that solos are much more interesting when you have Dynamics and learn to with note choice more than allowing yourself to fall back on sterile typewriter chops without really developing that flow of improvisational ideas that only comes from jamming with other people often. Ultimately I think that Edie and the handful of people including Pete and a few others who are able to get pretty damn close to his vibe will sound closer to Ed in terms of tone based on their fingers, Dynamics and being so familiar with his material that swing that is the most essential aspect of his playing. When I see young kids who have learned his songs note for note and yet sound nothing like him I realize that you can sound more like Ed playing a few signature licks, and an improving the rest after listening to enough of that stuff and learning enough of it to understand that it's is approach and landing on the right notes which will always be chord tones mixing them up without side notes that are often a result mixing up the symmetrical shapes with the minor pentatonic licks and arpeggios and I'm not talking about the tapped arpeggios but the kind of arpeggios that you can hear him playing in songs like drop dead legs, So This Is Love, somebody get me a doctor, on fire

you don't play the bass note in runnin' with the devil, and you also don't play the second chord with different fingers...you move your hand not your fingers.

damn, you are a hero, great attention to detail

I believe I remember hearing that Eddie disagreed with the reverb that the sound engineer used on VH1, he didn’t like it and thought it was too much. Have you ever heard of this before?

I used a variac for fun because I had one all through the 90s. It's a real variac the huge doorstop one in the gray box with the amp and volt meter on the front. I used to run my amps at 130v because it achieved a similar effect because it's biased at 120. I'm going to try biasing at 90v to see how it sounds.

After watching this I’m convinced that any good Plexi, even a Bass spec can get you there with an eq. That is if you have the hands.

Magic ❤

This is a masterclass.

Excellent video. You nailed it!

So...do you all feel like morons now for wearing them non-medical devices that were nothing but a symbol of submission and herd mentality?
The nazi arm band none of you asked for lol...a prop a visual aid to propagate the bullshit show

Ugh! I can really hear that the low E isn't all nickel. Now the whole video is pointless. Can't believe you did that.

🤣Jk. I appreciate the attention to detail, I really do.

I bet you’re getting plenty of requests to go back and make captures of that tone for tonex

Hey Pete. Just wondering if you've ever tried a Catalinbread Talisman pedal which is specifically made to recreate that Sunset Sound reverb. I got one for that purpose and have to say that it impressed me greatly! It doesn't have as many options as that plugin but it's a pedal and has that sound available on tap on-the-go!

It would be great if there’s a deep dive analysis on Van Halen Balance Tone as well 😊🙏🏻

Thanks for making the geek out video like this, really appreciate your effort 👍🏻👏🏻

Would be great to have amp captures of this kind of versions

What was the signal chain with your rig?

This is a great video! Im officially a nerd lol. Question, was any thought towards pick use applied here? I read several times Ed say his cancer was the result of him putting his metal picks in his mouth while tapping. Was just wondering if that may have contributed to his “bright dynamics”

It is not really "anybody's guess" how the mics were placed. Have you asked someone who was there?

No doubt that most mortals don't know how much work this took.

I was a 16 yr old guitarist when VH1 came out and been playing ever since and a self admitted tone chasing gear addict.
What amazes me is you guys in my age group can actually HEAR any tonal differences much at all!!!!
A simple EQ pedal is all my tattered eardrums need to "get me close" to EVH and do away with the endless chasing holy grail "brown sound" deep diving.

That sounded legit af!

So good! Thank you for doing this.

Is the delay time 300 ms?

No he was NOT happy with Duncan..listen to the 1980 Obrecht interview with Ed. 😊

All the things Eddie did to sound like Eddie are mind blowing. And then add in his timing, rhythm and just absolute one of a kind ideas and playing. The dude literally was the only 1 on earth that could ever will do what he did. Absolutely the best guitar player in so many ways, to ever live. No one will ever change guitar like Eddie. It’s literally impossible. Sammy and Mikey shoulda had Pete do this upcoming tour. Satch is great AT HIS STUFF. He’s terrible at Eddies stuff. Pete is probably the best Eddie option on earth. Only thing that would’ve made this 1000% is having a metal pick. That was a HUGE part of Eddies tone.

Pete it's not that I play guitar but I use a 1970 200 watt Marshall major from my Gibson bass guitars but the point is I could keep watching this video over and over and over as I do listening to you and Dave by the way we choose our fantastic combo and I love his new amp that you did the demo on demo one but all irrelevant is anything with Marshalls that you partake in is phenomenal❤❤❤❤❤

nice mask!!! so proud

Killer video!!! Great tone and great playing!!!

Love that you chose ain't talkin bout love to open the video with it really is the ultimate van halen riff

Saw this English guy using two Marshall's using a load box to feed a overdriven signal into another head an it just sounded incredible. Figured the reverb had to do with hi quality plate reverb, which plate reverb always sounded like reverb but without the distance

do your farts smell that bad? you guys are in a room on your own, why the hell are u wearing a mask? BAHAHAHA! speaks volumes. doubt i will watch anything with u two clowns in it ever again.

Waw amazing, do you use a power soak?

Why does everyone think...wood...changes tone.
This has been debunked

Pete, your videos are always great. As another obsessed EVH geek this one is one of my favorites.

The face diapers look even more ridiculous now, years later. Those were sad times indeed.

Why strive for Eddie's tone. Many others had tone... Ronnie Montrose tone with Gamma and Sykes tone on the two Whitesnake albums. Those two had the best tones
I've ever heard

Amazing break down and amazing playing! Thank you, Pete!

I always say that Sammy should have used Pete Thorn instead of Satriani. Satriani is a great player but his heart is not into sounding like Eddie. Let Sat be Sat. Use Pete.

Thank you Mr. Thorn!!!!! 🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️🤘🤘🤘🎸🎸🎸🙌🙌🙌

How you do the reverb thing i hear that the guitar 1 have and the second is only room but already some people are telling that guitar 1 has no reverb and is only one reverb no panned left or rigth is only stereo what do you think pete?

Чувак , сделай что-то с глазом , бабки наверное есть . Выглядит всё это стрёмно. А так ништяк .

Long Live King Edward