Celestine V: the first pope that resigned from Peters seat

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@tlaniganschmidt It is true that we are all flawed, I more than anyone. However we are called to obey what the church clearly teaches. If you choose to reject the correct teaching on infallibility that is your free will right. You dont however have the right to redefine it. It is wasy to set up a straw man and knock it down. Vatican I laid down the dogma clearly. You may not like it but its not your to redefine. I mean this sincerely when I say that you could also become protestant.

@chicago618 You don't know Our Theology.A Catholic can only nominally become a protestant.But the Sacraments cannot be invalidated.....So...just as a priest is always sacramentally a Priest.I shall always be a Catholic.And in good-conscience I shall Celebrate the Eucharist with you & the entire-Body of Christ.You see my fellow Catholic,every nite,i thank our dear-Lord & Savior that the English defeated the Armada.But,maybe I'll become Greek Orthodox.No Pope & valid-Sacraments,

@tlaniganschmidt I am very well aware of Catholic theology. Based on your understanding of infallibility you are the one who hasnt picked up a catechism at all. You are indeed Catholic...a disobedient one. You have decided what aspect of the magesterium you will validate for yourself. Your connscience has not been fully trained if you could do so in good conscience. As St Paul said its possible to partake of the Body of Christ unworthily.This is a warning you should take seriously in your case.

@tlaniganschmidt Your rambling is disturbing. First you bring up Sts Savio and Bosco for whatever reason, then you bring up the Spanish Armada. You have no coherence to your thought process. "But,maybe I'll become Greek Orthodox" It doesnt surprise me in the least that you would join a schismatic group. Just like Protestants they reject the chair of St Peter. You say they have no pope, you are right in one sense. In another you are wrong. The true pope in Rome is simply replaced with yourself

@tlaniganschmidt "I shall Celebrate the Eucharist with you..." You are wrong. When I partake of it I do so in full obedeince to the Apostolic Church. You do so as a pope unto yourself. At this point your disobedeince is so deep and ingrained that you may have incurred the sentence of latae sententiae and are outside of the Catholic faith. I sincerely pray for you. This is no longer about who knows what in the mind but about your soul tlaniganschmidt.

@chicago618 Your tone of voice is very nun-like (of the more-repressed-type).& had Dominic Savio lived he'd probably be like you.Oh,yes i read such authors as Allen Ginsberg & William Borroughs so that may have something to do with my rather,disjunctive-usages(why do you think i suggested that you go to a monastery?)..oops(there's someone at the door...just a sec,be back-soon).OMG,its the Swiss-Guards,you must've told them ,about that evening in Rome,near the baths of Caracalla:

@chicago618 Thank you for pointing out my rather disjunctive way of writing.But if you think I'm disjunctive,just check-out that monster of Cultural-Moronism known as the Vatican2 Mass....it makes Martin Luther look like St.John Vianney.Like,i said...i sorta like you.Are you a friend of the overly-impacted zealot that does a rant on u-tube from the basement of his Parents home somewhere out there in cyber-space.Eventually we will meet,perhaps (if not before) at the last judgement.God is Love.

"But if you think I'm disjunctive,just check-out that monster of Cultural-Moronism known as the Vatican2 Mass". I have to say Im a little shocked , pleasantly shocked. Why...I agree with you! I have no use for Vatian 2's horrible mass either. I pefer the extraordinary mass whichis divine. Dont go to Orthodoxy. Struggle with your faith as a Catholic. We all struggle. BTW I dont know of anyone one who lives in a basement in cyberspace. Actualy I hope we do meet one day my friend. so long for now

@chicago618 Hey,its me...the nice-Nicene Christian who wonders why Papal-infallibility never made it into the Credo akaThe Creed? but that's not why the writ is being written to-you.You've gotta read the Rule of St.Benedict(who never became a priest) & the 12 books of JohnCassian....cuz you'll really get into his word-usages.The translation in English was made during the Victorian era(so it omits "un-seemly"elements).Its approved 4 RC-Catholic-usage,but Anglican-heretics translated-it.SoBeware.

@tlaniganschmidt It seems your uncharitableness knows no bounds ("of the more-repressed-type"). Thank you for comparing me to St Savio. Although he would not be like me since he was a holy child and Im a sinner. Ginsberg & Borroughs? That explains a whole lot. Your are eating spiritual poison. No wonder your soul is in trouble my friend. "...about that evening in Rome baths of Caracalla" You have a disgusting sense of sarcasm as well. But I should expect that from you by now.

Papal infallibility never made it in because it was not the focus of the council. It was dealing with issues of a christological nature. I have read The Rules of St Benedecit and a biography written of him. I havent gotten around to Cassian but thanks for the recommend. I appreciate the warning as well. Ill try and get to Cassian's writings sometime this summer

@chicago618 now yer-talkin,you don't sound like parrot any-more.& in yer last mini-epistle you didn't use one13th-century theological-cliche.Sooner or later yer gonna realize that yer not inCatechism-Kansas any-more(Dorothy).And if you actually read the rule of St.Benedict,you would denounce him as a usurper of priestly-priviledge.Some of these early Saints are a lot more in touch than these boring-sycophants like that Savio nincompoop.In theSpirit of Filial-Love(Charity flatters the giver)+PAX+

@chicago618 such notions as you-imply are totally off the subject.As you very-well know,nothing untoward happened that evening at Rome.I was merely making refeference to a lively extremely animated conversation between a married Anglican-Priest & a Leferbite-zealot.It is beyond my wildest-imaginings how you could imply anything unseemly from such a sincere encounter between 2 seekers of Christ's ineffable Love that surpases all knowledge.A lovely shrine(to our-Lady) perfumed by flowers was near+

@chicago618 "papal infallibility never made it in because it was not the focus of the council"...O.K.kid,this is what's called "implicit-theology" meaning that it wasn't an issue,because it was an(implicit) accepted-reality.Dominicans,Jesuits & Myrmidons make use of such-sophistry.The reason "papal-infallibility" wasn't an issue was because there was no such thing as papal-infallibility(yet)That council was called by the Emperor & not the pope.Alexandria had a Pope then too & still does

@chicago618 ...do you own a fleet of buses? cuz I bet you drove a lot of people away from the Church with your pharisaical-notions of legalism.And,i still honestly-believe that you're that guy on u-tube (with the poster of the expensive car on the wall behind him) that is planning his rise in the ranks by being a sycophant of the upper-clergy & loves hurling anathemas out into cyber-space.The nice thing about computers is that every-one can see how "Christ-like" Christians aren't.not good PR4U.

@tlaniganschmidt Your ridculing the church's catechism tells me you have no regard for the church or her teachings but only for your own desires. You have only resorted to disgusting references to the baths of Rome. You truly are a twisted soul. You insult St Savio. This reveals more about your weak intellect than anythng about Savio. You end your message with "Pax". However your words have only revealed you only wish harm on the church. You seem to be a church and pope unto your own.

@tlaniganschmidt Once again you dont know what you are talking about. As I told you the issue was the nature of Christ. Why would they discuss an altoghter different issue? You have no idea what infallility is. It doesnt require that a pope convene it, only that he must approve it. Thats what he did. St Sylvester sent two legate priests who signed on the pope's behalf. They were the first to sign the decrees. The title of pope was used of all bishops up until a certain period....

@tlaniganschmidt It is well documented that all the bishops during theological crisis appealed to Rome for judgement, even the patriarch of Constaninople. The fact that Alexandira's bishop calls himself a pope means nothing since his apostiolic see was not founded by St Peter who possess the keys. You anti Catholic rantings tell me that you are on your way home to being a very good baptist. You call me a "kid", another indication that charity is not in your soul.

@tlaniganschmidt You say you are 63 but your words indicate that you are really only 12 years old in your maturity. You have no grasp of basic theological issues. All you do is repeat over and over "Oh thats implcit, thats implicit!" How embarrasing it is to read you.

@tlaniganschmidt Legalsim? You would have been one of the many who would have turned away from the Lord after he drove out the money changers. You would have called him a "meaney". Its sad to see how further down the spiral you seem to be going. Buses? Really this is how you respond? "And,i still honestly-believe that you're that guy on u-tube (with the poster of the expensive car on the wall behind him"" What? Your mind is delusional. You seem to have problems with reality and fantasy.

Your insults are always an indication your are more of a comedian than anything else. Your grasp of basic issues are none existent. I seriously your desire to "PR4U" is sincere. It seems that tha tis your way of saying how much you hatred is in your heart and mind. I do hope people look back at our messages and see who is the one with no charity, your insults and filthy rerfernces are legion. Save the prayers for your self, you need them more.

@tlaniganschmidt I just saw this message so Im glad you werent making any filthy references. However it was very justified to do so. You referred to me as "repressed" , your saracstic remark that I sentteh Swiss gurad and then you followed up that I must have told them about the baths. All that other stuff came about your conversation was something out of no where. How was anyone supposed to know abou that?

@chicago618 I saw your explanation for the baths after posting this.

@chicago618 Baptist?..for years i've been listening to the music of "The Schismatics",their Liturgy is closer to the early-Christians ...& you call me a "Baptist"...while your partaking in The de-formations of Vatican2?....if the Latin-Church was so "Romey"why wasn't the Bible translated into Latin until about 386AD.Not one book of the Bible was written in Latin,The entire New Testament was written in Koine(a-sort-of-slangish-Greek).In Rome Latin was spoken,but the Liturgy was in Greek(Koine)Pax

@chicago618 Cool-it .don't be so puffed-up with pride.your just upset cause you never got past theology 101 at St.Moronica's Special-ed.You have no faith at all in the Holy-Spirit if you think ANYONE can hurt the Church.Christ said it will last until the end of time.And bet you never gave that bore Dominic Savio a single-thought until i mentioned him.Pray to the Little-Flower,St.Teresa of Lisieux,did ya ever see those photos of her as Joan of Arc?She was the AndyWarhol of-the19thCentury-Church+

@tlaniganschmidt I have never stated that anything can overtake the church although it can be attacked from within from folks like yourself. As for theology I have demosntrated a far more deeper understanding than yourself. All you have done is thrown 5 year old personal insults. You have obviously never read a theological work in your life. The way you speak of the saints is truly diabolical. I have come across the name of Savio b 4 but there are thousands of saints.

Why wasnt it translated into Latin? Simple, because for all those years the church was in persecution and didnt do much of anything much less such a huge project of translating. They were still celebrating the mass in the catecombs. No book written in Latin? Really? could it be that was because they were wriiten in Palestine where the language was aramaic, greek, and hebrew? Im surprised you didnt also ask why the Old Testament was wriiten in Latin as well.

@tlaniganschmidt It seems that you are not only deficient in theology but you have no historical awarenes either. As for the deformation of Vatican 2, I agree with you but for different reasons. That Council was led by a spirit that guides yoor own. A spirit downplaying tradition and a supporting ecumenism. The spirit of heretics like Rahner and others are what has allowed folks like yourself to roam about freely in the church attacking it from within.

@chicago618 ...Sooner or Later you're going to have to face-yourself.God is Love,so He will always know you better than you know-your self.& God is Love beyond our-imagination yet able to embrace both our humanity & our yearnings to Love & be Loved in return.There has been not 1 little-fleck of joy in any-thing you've said. The god you have created is a sad-tyrant,like Hitler or Stalin that serves as an outlet for your resentments.Power is what YOU-CRAVE,all you know areRULES,GOD'S-LOVE eludes-u

@tlaniganschmidt Certainly God is Love but what you fail to mention is that He is also a God of Truth and Revelation. You reject both. As for joy I have much of it since I know I adhere to Truth. You on the other hand adhere to your own opininons. You have not once given me a serious answer to any of my arguments. You evade them. It brings me much joy to defend my Catholic faith against your faith. I guess if you do sense no joy it only because I am saddened by the danger your soul is in.

@tlaniganschmidt As for you I have sensed no joy in your words except for the sarcastic tone a rebellious teenager gives to his parents. If riduculing the Catholic Faith and the God of Scriptures is your idea of joy then youcan keep that false joy. Your paranoia seems to be getting worse. You say I crave power. The more I know God the more I know I have no power whatsoever. It would appear that you are the one who wants to remake the Catholic faith into your own image, thats a power trip.

@tlaniganschmidt I know Gods love and his truth. You would have rejected the Ten Commandments had you been on Mt Sinai. It seems your god is the manichaen god who wants no rules. True love comes with rules. Apparently your parents gave you none. I am bathed in Gods' love. You on the other hand are bathed in your own love of self. Thats the only love that you feel.

@chicago618 who are you kidding,you're a blood-lusting Crusader,Except you picture yourself trapsing around in a Cardinals get-up pointing-out where the heretics are.And,by the way,I also believe in gay-marriage & women priests.Like,i said(or maybe i didn't?) coversing with you makes me worry about your-soul too.You are some-what interesting.Tell me,though,have you completed the chapel yet?Tell me where n when & maybe i can talk a friend of mine into giving you a fabulous Spanish Virgin-Mary.yup

@tlaniganschmidt I know you believe in gay marriages and women priests. I know this because you have already told me a lot about your religion. Its totally human centered and not Christocentric. You have long left the Catholic Faith you just dont know it. "You are some-what interesting." Thanks for the compliment..I think. Your insult of the blessed virgin is no longer shocking. Your mind/soul is going further thru the downward spiral.

@chicago618 Wow..that was really-quick.You must be praying to St,Joseph of Cuppertino,He could be in 2 places at once.And,what on earth are you talking about? I mention to you an extremley Lovely image of Our Lady of Sorrows (that has real-glass-eyes)& hair-donated by Carmelite-nuns & you accuse me of disrespect? Well too bad for you then,cause she's staying with people that have a deep-devotion to our most-blessed Lady.What are you? Your Christology seems more Lutheran than Catholic.

@tlaniganschmidt Your mention of her was disrespectful."maybe i can talk a friend of mine into giving you a fabulous Spanish Virgin-Mary.yup".That was not sincere and you know that you said it in a sarcastic note. As for devotion, you are not devoted to her.I am totally devoted to Our Lady of LaSallete, Guadalupe, Good Success, and Fatima. Do you belive in the revelations of Fatima or Guadalupe? I dont think so.Your devotion is not true.Please explain my christology for me and how its lutheran

@chicago618 you are definitely post Vatican2.Those of us from before the council,shun the likes of you with your retro-mentality toward the Virgin Mary.Bishop Zumarraga would send you packin for your outrageous-quantifications ....but let us try to be kind....Bet-ya that you don't know this(but it will greatly enrich-your-spirituality).Pope Leo xiii(friend of the working-man & author of Rerum-Novarum)gave a special-gold crown to the Madonna of 115th st.(Madonna del Carmine1892NYC)not-aSecret NOW

Wow such a devsating come back. Im do floored by your intellectual acumen I simply dont know what to say. You have really polished your toilet mouth to a perfection that Shakespeare would be proud of. When you have grown up and want to engage seriously not a like a 3 year old then lets do it but until then stay on your meds and stop snorting mud you pathetic piece of vomit

Wow you must have really been abused by your father

Such Love, I feel the warmth . But not unexpected from Luciferians like you. your conception of Love is evil and monstrous. I will enjoy engaging in "dialogue" with you. If thats what you even call what your doing. I accepted your invite. Bring it on my devilsh enemy , I am always ready for diabolical fiends like you.

Pope Celestine V was NOT the first to resign and NOT the last.

Bad example to be venerating and kneeling in prayer to a rotting corpse. Jesus Christ, the Son of G d, is the only one I kneel before in resignation and worship. The King, Creator and Sustainer of The Universe is Jesus Christ.

We share the same name... I've been struggling these last few months with money... maybe I need to pray before this tomb.

I'm here because of a Reddit video

According to the lives of the saints as read by Father Tamm of the SSPX St. Paul of Celestine was not persecuted and incarcerated but was rather held so that he would not be tempted by the devil and renounce his successor. He was allegedly treated with dignity.

Sy Celestine pray for us🙏

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