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Whatever the case...Disney has ruined the,"Star Wars",franchise! I would rather read the old Marvel Comics,stories,than watch any of the current movies!😞

So you're confounded. So was Jabba. That was the plan. I worked that out when I was about 10.

Plan, backup plan, backup-backup plan. Don't overthink it.

Luke went with the intention of getting Han out while using force. Destroying Jabba was a secondary concern but he was committed to do just that if he couldn't get a peaceful resolution, which he tried. He fully expected said peaceful resolution to fail, hence the setup

Actually, the primary plan was for Luke to knock the bad guys into the pit.

The Making of Return of the Jedi pp. 66-67.

p. 66- Kasdan: The real problem is to figure out a plan; if you figure out a plan you can stick those people in anywhere you want.
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p. 67- Lucas:What Luke want to do is get on that barge and the only way he can do it is as a prisoner. He has to become a prisoner and Chewie has to become a prisoner; they have to unfreeze Han and they all have to be at the same execution, which is what his plan is. He figures once he kills the rancor, then they have to go into the pit. .... The plan is, "I am going to kock everyboy overboard into the pit and we're going take off" ...
Kasdan: You can assume that Luke's plan is multilayered....

Did luke and Leia have each their separate plans that were not coordinated?

Lando freeing Han was plan #1. Since he betrayed him he wanted to make it right.But that didn't work for whatever reason. So he stayed on as a guard feeding intell to his buddies so that they could dream up another way of doing it.

Plan #2, Luke just wanted to deal with Janna straight up Man to Slug. But since the answer was no (Lando probably told him that Jabba wouldn't deal) we move on to the next option which is.

Plan #3, Leia sneaks out Han under the cover of darkness. But we saw how that worked out. If it would have been successful, Lando would have freed Chewy & the droids. Now onto....

PLAN #4, Luke mind tricks Jabba to release everyone. But what is odd is that when this didn't work Luke tries to pull a fast one by stealing a guard's gun and shooting Jabba. This is where all these plans go awry. But there still was a....

Plan #5, shoot it out with Jabba's guards and hope for the best,

There was a plan. Luke's plan. Sneak Lando in as a skiff guard. Leia's only job was to free Han from the carbonite. And perhaps place her in a position to kill Jabba if captured. Even if she did intend to get Han out herself, Luke would've known that to be unlikely, and how Jabba has a fondness for bipedal females. And how, despite his tough hide and many servants, that he is vulnerable to attack because of his restricted movement. When Luke arrives, he knows he has to get them out of the palace. I had an old novel where Luke says ' The palace was too well guarded, I had to get you out of there.' He is surely aware, that with a Hutts' tough skin, it's very unlikely to kill one by blasting it. Luke is even smiling when Jabba sentenced them. Been from Tatooine himself, he'll know Jabba's preferred way of execution. Is it risky? Luke is close to becoming a Jedi by now, so he will be in the moment and have almost complete trust in The Force now. His training and awareness will allow him to KNOW or show him a positive outcome to any given situation. I see him giving his weapon away to Artoo as symbolic. He doesn't want to fight. He will only do so in self-defence. He only gets that gun after Jabba tells him there will be no bargain and that he is going to die. Luke learnt in the cave on Dagobah, that he created that confrontation with Vader by taking his weapons in there with him in the first place. He was in fear and eager for it. Now he will only use it as a last resort. He doesn't want to initiate a conflict but he's wise enough to know that Jabba will probably never bargain. He gives Jabba chance after chance to bargain, but Jabba has too much pride. I love how Jabba and The Emperor represent different aspects of the dark-side in this film. They try and dominate everyone and everything. Luke is passive. He is at one with the moment and responds accordingly. This is a very important section of Star Wars. It has a big story-point. That Luke is a different kind of Jedi, that he values friendship and doesn't see it as an unnecessary attachment. It signifies Luke's growth and maturity. As well as a re-birth for Han and a stripping away of Leia's tough exterior. Luke has his own lightsaber now, one he created himself. This is the end of his training. In 'Empire' his friends had to save him. It is a part of mythology-the hero returns to his hometown or planet where everyone, even his own friends doubt him, and survives a trip to the underworld(Jabba's Palace) where he will emerge a man ready for his final confrontation with the dark-side! Yoda even says 'no more training do you require,' it's not about lightsaber skills as such, he knows Luke is spiritually ready to face the dark-side. For me, the first part of 'Jedi' signifies, only fight if all else fails and in self-defence, the 2nd part, don't fight at all. Fighting is the dark-side. The only way to harmony is to not react. That is why the Emperor is always trying to provoke Luke. It's the oldest soul-trapping game in the book. Once you react-you become a part of the 'game.' Look how the Empire falls apart after Luke makes that decision to throw away his sword. Yes, there is a time for self-defence and there is a time to 'surrender.'

Empire Strikes Back is the best SW movie. Your opinion is invalid.

I always thought Luke's code of ethics needed to give Jaba a chance to surrender Han before combat was an option.

All ill say is jedi visions

One could see the future with the force.

I think Jabba may have known the original Boushh and Leia maybe didn’t show the same mannerisms.

You're way overthinking this.
One line by Luke in the novelization helps it make a lot more sense:
(to Han, on the skiff as they are approaching the Sarlacc) "Jabba's palace was too well guarded. I had to get you out of there."
The plan was:
Lando goes in undercover, as their ace-in-the-hole.
The others are introduced in small enough dribs and drabs as to not seem overly threatening, and have Jabba kill them immediately. Think how Gandalf introduced the dwarves to Beorn.
The droids come first, as they are the least threatening, but enough to make Jabba pay attention. R2's getting posted to the sail barge was lucky, though he probably would have snuck aboard anyhow; maybe Lando "created the opening?"
Leia's job was to get Chewie in, and free Han from carbonite. Getting captured was always expected, though maybe they expected her to get intercepted on the way out with a semi-crippled Han. Han would likely end up wherever Chewie did. They probably expected the same for Leia, but it put her in an even better place for their goals.
Luke comes in and makes enough of a ruckus to get Jabba to take them to the sarlacc; having him start a fight and losing (without having his lightsaber, which would require killing him instantly) was the plan; the Rancor was an added wrinkle but worked even better.
Jabba decides they're too much trouble, and wants to kill them all. Take them to the sarlacc!
You know the rest.

I like to believe this escalated into plan C for Luke

Thing unexpected: exist
Luke: Just like the simulations

After having the historical evidence of Anakin's improvisatory planning technique in Clone Wars, the fact that TWO Skywalkers were involved in "planning" makes Solo's recovery from Jabba a freakin' miracle.

I think George Lucas probably intended to use Luke's ability to use the Force to forsee and orchestrate an intricate, convoluted plan as a sort of preview of the Emperor's ability to use the Force to orchestrate a much larger and more intricate grandmaster plan across the whole saga. "Everything is proceeding as I have forseen."

It's not so simple as "Luke saw Slave Bikini Leia choking Jabba and knew exactly what he had to do to make it happen", we know from ESB that visions of the future are far more nebulous than that. As Yoda says, "always in motion, the future is". But Luke probably had some idea of various potential scenarios that he had glimpsed through the Force, and made a plan based on that, with the ultimate goal of fighting Jabba's men out in the open over the sarlacc pit, rather than in Jabba's palace where he would have had a much harder time.

They had a plan, but it went to shit and they had to improvise. Case closed. Move on.

Force foresight

The plot hints start woth threepio saying Lando and Chewie never returned from this place.

I think that the four together planned to infiltrate and make a move from there. Lando and Chewie head to tatooine and a bounty on Chewie makes it impossible for him to help so Lando gets inside work. They contact Leia and Luke and hatch a plan to all get captured and release Han from carbonite so he can recover a bit before an execution. Lando confirms that Jabba still goes out to the sarlacc pit if there are enough victims but if he frees Han he'll just be shot on sight. So Leia agrees to bring in Chewie, pop out Han and get captured as a women is worth keeping around to Jabba, even if they piss him off right in front of him and wouldn't let her just be shot. Luke masterminded his capture with some force foresight and manipulation of Jabba through arrogance and instigated the harshest punishment when confronted by the Rancor. Knowing as long as he hates them enough and he survives that they'll get sent to the pit. All of the insights like r2 on the barge were from Lando and the threat with the detonator was pomp and show to sell the rough and tough method that Bosh used to hunt Chewie. The most improvising was by Leia when she knocks out the lights and drops the window slits before choking out Jabba. No one noticed because they just wanna see the show and it's getting good!

They needed to not just escape but get rid of anyone thay could report them to other Hutts. To get off planet and know there isn't any one who might want to cash in on the biggest news in the underground!

One thing that you don't seem to be taking into account is that Luke was following the will of the Force, which is what makes him a good Jedi, like Qui-Gon.

Or heck, even like Dr. Strange, in a way. Maybe they had to go through a ton of crap to accomplish their mission lol.

I always liked how Calrissian lowered his mask, purely for the benefit of the audience. Without us watching, he never would have done that. Even as a little kid I knew what was up there.

I wonder why didn’t Lando just free Han himself?

There's a bounty on Chewie, so Lando goes in alone. He doesn't want to risk getting caught alone, so Luke & Leia make separate plans to free Han.

Leia turns in Chewie, & tries liberating Han, but she gets caught, then Luke rescues everyone.

Leia knows she won't get killed because Jabba would prefer to keep Leia as a dancer, but Lando would've died if he tried rescuing Han alone

Luke's lightsabering is reminiscent of an Errol Flynn swashbuckling adventure

Opening act establishes Luke as a full Jedi and brings a close to all the mention of Jabba in the previous films but yeah the "plan," was like all over the place and didn't really make sense. I just kept thinking brings in the rebel troops and take him.

Honestly the movie should have just started with Luke going to Jabba's palace. It felt like it went on for as long as it did to pad runtime.

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Great observations! That was my thought as well, that Luke had some premonition granted by the Force (like he had about Han and Leia in Cloud City in ESB) but he didn't quite know the details to get there, and thus all of the seemingly redundant overtures to Jabba until all of the pieces are in the right place at the right time.

I love Return of the Jedi as well! I've watched it countless times growing up. But as I get older, I recognize that it is far from being a flawless movie. Return of the Jedi is really a tale of two traps: the first trap is a personal one in which Luke and company invite themselves with Jabba on Tatooine, and another trap on a grander scale with the success of the Rebel Alliance hanging in the balance in a huge space battle. In both cases, the rebels succeed in ways that Jabba and the Emperor never see coming, regardless of how attuned they are in the force.

In ROTJ, the Emperor leaves Coruscant to go to some remote place (Endor) to try to lure out the rebels. He's out of his natural throne room and in a makeshift throne room copy, girders and pits and all, and much less secure than the one on Coruscant. This makes him (and he well knows this) a natural target for the rebels or Luke to strike. And this is his plan. Instead of chasing after Luke and the rebels like Vader did in ESB, the Emperor is trying to draw them to him, and on his terms. But one thing that ROTJ doesn't do is that it doesn't set up a future story beyond the events of ROTJ, and we are left finding ourselves having to make up what we think would logically happen next, such as the New Republic, new Jedi Order, etc, etc..

Jabba chose Tatooine because of the planet's strategic location, being on the Spice hyperspace route. Jabba's on Tatooine to capitalize on it in some way. Greed and pleasure were two of Jabba's great vices, and he was more than tempted by obtaining more power as well. But since we've seen Tatooine before, what other planets would serve Jabba's ambitions just as well? My recommendation: Ryloth. Instead of Tatooine, put Jabba's stronghold on Ryloth, the harsh, rocky homeworld of the Twi'leks (Bib Fortuna's race), located on the Corellian Run route and the Death Wind Corridor as well as the hyperspace Spice route. There, Jabba is not only able to get a hand in the Spice trade, but he can take advantage of the slave trade as well, and it would give him a window of opportunity on the Death Wind Corridor. Additionally, it gives us (the audience) a new visual "rock type" planet to look at as far as cinematography, granted that Jabba's hide out would be hidden among the Misty Mountains..

Back to ROTJ: the first part of the movie can be changed to a Heist movie where they rescue Han from Jabba at Ryloth. The real story is the Heist, where Lando, Chewbacca, Leia (disguised as Boushh), Luke and the droids arrive at Ryloth in the Millennium Falcon to rescue Han's carbonite block from Jabba's rock palace. Boushh distracts Jabba with the thermal detonator while Luke and Lando steal Han's carbonite block. But when Boushh has almost snuck out of the palace, Jabba finds out about the theft of Han, and then all chaos breaks loose and Boushh is on the run on a dark passage back to the Millennium Falcon, where Luke and Lando have already secured Han's carbonite block. So, Luke makes his entrance and takes a stand with his green lightsaber and Jedi skills, allowing Boushh to get away and back to the Falcon. Luke is able to elude Jabba's criminal gang as well, also escaping on the Falcon. Jabba is still alive here, but enraged, and orders his entire criminal organization after Luke, Han and Boushh. Luke has the idea to escape temporarily to Degobah before rejoining the rebel fleet, so that they can get all of the Bounty Hunters off their tail for a little while. Meanwhile on the Falcon, Leia takes off the Boushh disguise and sets off the carbonite block to release Han. Luke and Chewbacca pilot the Falcon to Dagobah while Han is released from the carbonite block. At Degobah, Yoda gives Han some of his stew and everybody finds out that Luke is the son of Darth Vader at the same time. Yoda doesn't die, but ends up leaving his solitude on Dagobah by leaving with them on the Millennium Falcon. Obi-Wan makes an appearance, and Yoda is convinced that his solitude is over after everyone sees the holoimage of Mon Mothma, communicated to them via a secure channel from the rebel fleet, diagramming their plans of attack, and therefore laying the groundwork for walking into Trap #2. Han, Leia, Luke, Lando and Yoda all assent via holoimage that they will be joining in on the attack, and Mon Mothma is greatly encouraged by Yoda's presence, being still alive and joining the battle. It's a TRAP x 2!

In my book (as a kid), SW had the duty to submit ships, and action. And ROTJ brought son and father reconciliation. That actually exceeded its own capacity, and worth it way good.

Now there's a thought Luke tipped off jaba? Very interesting idea. I think the only logical and reasonable explanation is indeed that Luke had a force vision of the rescue of Han Solo and take down of Jabba the Hutt and he formulated his plan around it. it's the only thing that you could really explain that makes any sense, it's not cheating or taking the easy way out it's just how else are you going to explain it? When he tells Han that he had taken care of everything then obviously this was all by Design. Luke absolutely intended for Leah to get captured he wisely betted on Jabba's pride and arrogance there's a good chance he may have tipped off Jabba which if Luke had already planned everything then it was necessary. Then again jabba was the leader of a crime syndicate so you don't get there without being smart or being able to be intuitive against those who are plotting against you. Luke could have also have anticipated this so he was always five steps ahead of Jabba the entire time. However I don't think the plan went off without a hitch I doubt Luke intended to get into a fight with the rancor but it was also necessary to get all of them gathered onto one place at once on the skiff over the pit of carcoon. Luke had faith in his sister that she would be resourceful enough to act at the right moment to kill Jabba. It's also possible that Luke had told her what was going to happen that she would get captured and she would be the one to kill Jabba and would do it at the right moment. He also beted that Jabba's staff would not be very thorough either in that they only put a restraining bolt on 3PO and did not put one on R2. That's always bothered me if Jabba had put a bolt on R2 then Luke's entire lightsaber smuggling operation and retrieval would have been completely wrecked and his plan completely derailed. So either he took a Gamble and won or he already knew they would not put a bolt on R2. It's very unsurprising to me that Luke was able to form this seemingly incoherent plan. From our perspective It seems impossible and chaotic but to a Jedi who understands the force and has the ability to see the future wield it so completely that he essentially is a prophet who fulfills his own prophecies. It takes great power and wisdom in the force to be able to correctly interpret the future before it happens which also shows us just how powerful Luke had become. Yoda mentioned this in Empire when he said that the future is difficult to see and it is always in motion. Luke recklessly charged off after his friends and barely escaped with his life in that movie. Fast forward to now Luke has had time to reflect on what Yoda had told him about seeing the future through the force and his previous rash actions and recklessness and he learn from it meditated on the force and overcame that flaw of recklessnes. Luke was obviously a very special Jedi to be able to level himself up so completely in the force in only 6 months to be able to follow through with such a master stroke of a plan. I think the explanation is simple Luke is a very powerful and wise Jedi night and his Mastery of the force allowed him to see order out of chaos and create a plan out of it that. to the uninitiated it would seem insane and convoluted but to a Jedi who wields the force to this level it is an Act only the Jedi could understand and thus all we can do is trust in Luke and Trust in the force at that point. I think it's a very poignant example of the very idea of the Return of the Jedi and I think that was the message they were trying to portray. It was because of Darth Sidious and the power of the dark side that allowed the Jedi to fall because of their own hubris so naturally Luke Skywalker had to be the counterfoil to that power and deal in a reversal that could restore his father and thus balance. I never really considered this before but now it's very clear to me Luke Skywalker is probably the most powerful Jedi ever to live. You just gave me a new appreciation for the Return of the Jedi through this video thank you.

Luke had already looked into the force and had seen the future/ outcome that is why he warns Jabba several times. Luke already knew what was going to happen. Even if he didn't know even single event he knew that they would be successful and that Jabba would be taken down.

Basically, Luke wanted everyone to get captured so everyone can fight an epic battle, cuz that deleted scene where he makes his green lightsaber explains it.

The way I see it is that we that we are not supposed to know what this plan is.
It's intentionally ambiguous and meant to leave us guessing even when we re watch it.
It's not supposed to be like ocean's 11 where we are given an answer at the end and see how it adds up.
The point of this scene is that it re-introduces main cast and re-establishes how far they have come.




...and of course explain why Han is still running around later in the film.

I resently decided to watch the first trilogy, as someone who has no nostalgia or sentimental atatchments of the starwars franchise I loved new hope, it did a really good job stablishing the universe and characters and I loved the destroy the deathstar secuence, empire strikes back is definitely the best, there are very good character dinamics, fun dialogue mostly from han solo, a good narrative, return od the jedi was the weird one for me, I think the rescue mission and the initial ewok contact where good Ideas but very poorly executed, it also was very cartoony which the other moves had a cartoony element to them but this felt VERY cartoony, but the las third of the movie was probably my favorite in the whole movie, the ewok was was silly fun, the starfighter secuence was much better than the one in new hope and I loved both, and luke vs vader fight was greats, much better than the first.

I still think I'll put retur of the jedi above new hope just because of the last third of the movie.

I've always thought the whole thing was planned out masterfully. Leia turns in Chewy, Chewy gets thrown in a cell. When Han gets out of the Carbonite where does he wind up ? He winds up with Chewy, yeah they're in a cell, but they're freakin' Han Solo and Chewbacca !!!! And Leia gets planted right at Jabbas side. Did you notice after R2 shot the light Saber off the top deck he went right to where Leia was killing Jabba ? That's the way I see it anyway.

The entire rebel fleet should have just hovered over Jabas palace and said ,give us Han Solo or we turn you and your whole palace into hole in the ground.

You're right. The "plan" was at best a cluster. One would expect better from political operatives and experienced militants who are supposedly at the top of their game. The incoherence of the plan always stood out to me, even as a kid. Like everyone, I loved this stuff as a kid as well, and I still enjoy it. The major problem with the "plan" is that it relies too much on Jabba not just killing everyone. We know Jabba is a murderous thug. Every time you have someone sneak in, or waltz in, you risk Jabba capturing them and just saying "eh, whatever, kill 'em." What if Jabba had just decided to smash 3PO and R2? Especially with the whole Chewie and Leia scheme. Chewie is literally going in as a prisoner, and Jabba could easily just kill the wookie on the spot. As Leia says "We have some powerful friends." Why not just look for an opportune moment to make an organized assault on Jabba's palace? Having a few infiltrators in place, like Lando, isn't a bad idea, but literally handing over a series of prisoners is took big a risk.

It was an extreme far fetch. Boushh had the reputation of being a bit of a failure, and when he shows up claiming to have captured the mighty Chewbacca, it's just a bit off. Not really believable. Leia tries to counter-act this by being greedy, as a useless unsuccessful bounty hunter could be expected to, but proceeds to threaten Jabba with a thermal detonator, that's even more ridiculous, not even Boba Fett would be that arrogant and fearless. So yeah, the plan completely blows her cover out of the water, it's a non-disguise.

Luke didn't think that Jabba would trade Han for the droids, but being a gangster businessman, he was hoping that a non-violent solution could be achieved. He only knew so much about Jabba, he didn't know there'd be a trap door and a rancor pit. But expected there'd be some kind of columbian necktie involved, since it's important to Jabba's machismo to intimidate with public displays of his contemptuous, sadistic ruthlessness. It was also Jabba's perception than Han was hiding among the rebels for protection, because he never intended to pay him back.

The vision idea seems a very reasonable explanation, as to why Luke would let his friends believe he lead them into peril. He knew in advance, the Force would not fail him.

Return sucks... you got 77 n 80 masterpiece ....than George got KENNER GREEDY...anyone notice how Luke’s lightsaber just PUSHES Jabba’s Henchmen off

Luke is a Jedi he can see what was going to happen. That is why he continued to warn Jabba

Basically... it's a shit movie... and I love it

Why do you love this film? The first one will always be the best to me.

I thought their plan was to get captured and then have r2 launch lightsaber to Luke and then kill everyone

Should have been e movies and could have been so much more.

Your right.
They suck at plans.
They could have gone in and blasted the place with an X wing and made them give up Solo.
Or else!

How exactly did Sulu get the Huey in Voyage home????