The Worldview of Murray Rothbard | Gerard Casey

@ghostbuddy BUT WHO MAKES THE LAW? You talk about law firms, but where is the source? The economic aggregate of thousands of representative communes? I thought we were debating the role of gov't in society and economics... I still say that without gov't, you have nothing but tribal nonsense.

@heckler73 Maybe volunteer "sheriffs", neighborhood watches, or vigilantes (phoenix jones,new york initiative,etc) will pick up the slack. Given that this will be decentralized, all of these approaches will likely coexist. Some will be more popular than others.

@heckler73 If you were standing in an anti-state society. You had dozens of law firms, dozens of private contractors, and your society had no laws, other than creating a state, what would you do to fix that problem? Your telling me you don't even have the imagination, or the open mind to concede billions of people couldn't solve that problem? Again it completely depends, and different approaches will be taken to law.

@heckler73 If you ask Rothbard, he will say the society would have to agree on some laws from the get go. Other approaches would have law firms presenting laws to a society, and having the population volunteer to fund the laws. Others would have communities forming councils, to deal with lawfirms, or direct democracy to establish a relationship with law firms. Again, the possibilities that comes with nothing but voluntary interaction, are nearly endless.

@heckler73 No. Right now we are debating the viability of law and order in a stateless society. I feel like im arguing with Hobbes and his leviathan.

@heckler73 Individual liberty is something that portion of humanity of progressed toward. I am not claiming as an objective apriori, but as a subjective reality derived from interactions between humans. In specific, it is the right to one's person and property. The Fed made problems much worse by continuously funding the shenanigans on Wall Street. The only weapon it has is open market policy - eg., expanding the volume of currency in circulation.

@heckler73 The Fed doesn't have the power to truly address these problems. It only makes them worse. The U.S. economy is in an even more precarious position than it was in 2008 because we have even few financial institutions as the "too big to fails" have become bigger. The Fed works in total contravention to the market process by disallowing failure and enriching its Wall Street cronies. The Public Choice school of Political Economy has plenty to say about such patterns of corruption.

??? Still, Casey has a lovely speaking voice.

Geez, this interview felt like it flew by in five minutes. I can't thank Mises for the wonderful conversations and enlightenment enough. We live in in the worst times of my life but folks like you give me hope for humanity yet. -

@heckler73: No, it doesn't need "democratic consensus"(Whatever the fuck that mystical hodgepodge supposed to mean). And laws don't need a centralized state to exist, as several historical examples show us. All it needs is for people to leave each other alone and adhere to the non-aggression principle. That simple. It certainly doesn't need a ruling class of plundering parasites to be maintained, in fact, the exact OPPOSITE is true.

@heckler73: And everybody has a "subjective bias", including you. The attempt of ruling class shills to pass themselves as oh-so-neutral and oh-so-objective while advocating the enslavement of mankind to a ruling class is nothing more than a farce. So please, drop this charade if you want to be taken seriously, let alone expect to have the slightest chance of convincing anyone who knows better to return to the fold of the Cult of the Omnipotent State.

@heckler73: "I still say that without gov't, you have nothing but tribal nonsense." You statement is objectively false, both empirically and logically. And since your entire statist worldview rests on that objectively false assumption, thus it is also rendered false by extension. But it's not like you, as a typical statist, care about your worldview being false, anymore than a creationist. You have some political philosophers whose dick you need to keep hard by maintaining your ignorance.

Lovely chap :) A very good interview with a fellow anarchist!

Wow, I never knew Ireland had such an interesting thinker. If he has any public lectures I'll make sure to attend.

I thought my screen was dusty for a second there. Great Interview!

@richardcadbury Rothbard's "For a New Liberty: The Libertarian Manifesto" is a good place to start.

A very simplified explanation can also be found in Robert P Murphy's "Chaos Theory," but I think it is a too simple.

@richardcadbury There is also "The Market For Liberty" by Tanhill, which is online in audio form for free, freekeene. com/books/

@Akatam0t0ma Don't feed the statists :)

A fascinating discussion. Thank you.

lovely to listen to rothbard being discussed with an irish accent

Rothbard rules man..... Rothbard rules !!!!!

@heckler73 "Econophysics"? Rank sophistry. Let me clue you in to a basic truth that may have escaped your attention - human beings are not particles - they behave based on their subjective values and finite perception, and they change their behavior with changing circumstances (say, when arrogant elitists try to plan their lives). Every economic transaction is an end in itself, not part of some homogeneous aggregate. Did econophysicists predict the 2008 crash? Because Austrian "hacks" did.

@Akatam0t0ma opps i meant to hit the thumb up button. ron paul 2012

This guy is brilliant.

The range of his work is astonishing. Politics, economics, history, philosophy, ethics, sociology. A true polymath, and a far more substantial figure than his detractors. He was absolutely vicious and vituperative on the page, and yet a kind and unassuming man in person. One of my favourite Rothbard essays is his demolition job on Lord Keynes and his connections to the British ruling class.

@sidvidkid The "state" that the likes of Aquinas discuss bears zero resemblance to the states of today.

@tewj57 Unfortunately, the individual to which you responded speaks out of historical and economic ignorance. So many of us are victims to the government-run public school system. Unfortunately, the majority never escape this intellectual prison the modern nation state has created.

Sound like a great man of our time. For those who had the opportunity to hear his lecture and know him what a great experience it musth have been.

I like the idea that the first state was the church. I'm not an aggressive athiest like my progressive mates but when I was a kid I got sent down to Sunday school and I remember having all the same objections to religion that I developed with government. The perverse libido dominandi, the pretence of knowledge.

On Tucker, have you seen the play that Murray Rothbard wrote entitled "Mozart was a Red?" It pokes fun of Ayn Rand's Collective. Jeffrey plays the male Randroid.

Taking Gerard Caseys Logic class. AwEsoME! Jeffery Tucker always fun ¡

Really? I don't recall Ireland's government, or the EU for that matter, being particularly Rothbardian. That is a wild claim.

"You statement is objectively false, both empirically and logically." Actually your idea of anarchy is statistically false, as well as empirically. Statistically, because anarchists only bring up ancient worlds as an example, while ignoring the fact that we largely know nothing about them, if they were bloody or not, also anarchists ignore religion, and those ancient worlds had religion, which is a form of gvt. (Continues)

(continued) I have first hand experience of Capitalist Anarchy, which is what we had many years after USSR Collapse, since govt. was absent, and Capitalism was instituted. What came years after collapse, is endless murder machines, that operated in such manner to keep the competition out. So your "empirical" evidence is non existent, and your logic is absolutely false, since your logic didnt work on those organizations. Those "businesses" were stopped by federals, after thousands dead

(continues #2) Calling someone a statist because they want the smallest gvt. which protects Life Liberty and private property, is pure absurdity, to ignore real life facts, which historically speaking happened in last 30 years, is criminal. All you have is a logical idea, which doesnt work in real life. I for once, do not want to see endless fear and murder around me yet again, I didnt come to USA for another round of Anarchy.

A statist is someone who supports the existence of the state. It is what it is. The fact that it bothers you to be called one shows that deep down you know there's something wrong with it.

Statism- "belief that the state should control either economic or social policy, or both, to some degree" In a very limited gvt. that Objectivist support, state will not control either. So 1) Your definition is wrong 2) Statism doesn't apply to me what so ever 3) Considering the actual definition, it is absolutely justified, me being offended when someone calls me statist, considering they are just flinging insults not knowing what they are saying.

You don't know economics. Why don't you learn economics if you're going to talk economics?

get rid of the state, but private property magically protects itself.
rothbardianism gizm

We call it the Deep State now.

I’m happy to see the Maestro being remembered.

That a hole was against the civil rights act, and was hostile to women's rights.... A truly despicable person.

"somebody else can fill in the details".. then the "genius" says that he "had raw intellectual integrity". Laughable.

Hitler had a fine laugh as well. Not a good guy though..

no, you are no logician.

This is the worst of academic philosophy - wasting enormous efforts on obscure historical irrelevancies.

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